Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3683921)

The funny thing about the crusty old guys that we make fun of in our youth is that most of us turn into them. Kind of like most of us turn into our parents despite swearing that we wouldn’t.

Originally Posted by khergan (Post 3683959)

Nah, I think in this case most of us "younguns" value our hearing and will act accordingly. I haven't met a single Gen X or younger pilot who didn't use a high quality noise cancelling headset.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3682452)

It provides no hearing protection and results in both pilots yelling into each other’s most hearing damaged ear.

they’ve done studies, even in “quiet” aircraft like the Airbus pilots hearing in their open ear is generally worse than the one protected by the ear dic.

Every single communication related snafu I have had here has been with pilots using the ear dic. Every single one. I am not a soft talker either.

It needs to get added to the FSAP form and ALPA needs to start taking hearing loss/communication seriously.

Originally Posted by hopp (Post 3684338)

So,,without the “eardic “ as you call it..(I used a custom molded ear piece.) without that, how can you hear the interphone …over the speaker?

Originally Posted by hopp (Post 3684338)

So,,without the “eardic “ as you call it..(I used a custom molded ear piece.) without that, how can you hear the interphone …over the speaker?

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3683045)

What happened to “freedom of choice”?

or do you mean “freedom of choice unless it’s not my choice then no”.

Whatever, walk off the trip. Not sacrificing my hearing to appease you. You’re replaceable, my hearing is not. I hear as well with you yelling through the headset with no intercom as most of the ear dic guys can with nothing in their ears.

Or, alternatively, I will 100% cite your refusal to use the intercom in our inevitable FSAP because you either can’t hear ATC and jack up a clearance or I have to ask for gear 6 times. I see it all the time from the jumpseat. The ear dic crews have a much higher frequency of missed calls, misunderstood calls, and missed crew communication than the headset crews.

Originally Posted by A320 (Post 3684418)

Peop”e sure are wound tight aboutheadsets.

Originally Posted by khergan (Post 3684419)

Well, some of us have personal experience with dumbasses not using them at inopportune times, missing ATC calls, missing flap/gear call, whatever.

In this case, it led to almost losing a 777 and potentially billions of dollars in business through lost confidence. So yeah, why wouldn't we be tightly wound about something that's easily fixable?

The only argument against it has essentially been "i do what I want, hehehehehe". That's highly annoying to those of us who have been put in an unsafe or easily avoidable situation by someone because of CRM and them not being able to hear anything due to their refusal to use a headset and/or intercom.

Originally Posted by A320 (Post 3684418)

Peop”e sure are wound tight aboutheadsets.

Originally Posted by hopp (Post 3684449)

I used a custom molded ear piece for almost 40 years, and never had trouble hearing ATC or the other crew. The boom mike worked perfect as well. The only time I had difficulty is when. an FO wore a head set over both ears, and would have trouble hearing.

But, some of you guys are making too much of the missed flap setting. It ain’t that big a thing. Flaps sometimes jam or stop on retraction due to assymetry. I’ve never seen someone loose control of the plane, because of it…even in the sim.



This is sounding like a discussion about motor oil in a car forum.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3684451)

…you don’t dive an airplane into the ocean because you ordered a coke and got a Pepsi.