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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 3682452)
It provides no hearing protection and results in both pilots yelling into each other’s most hearing damaged ear.
they’ve done studies, even in “quiet” aircraft like the Airbus pilots hearing in their open ear is generally worse than the one protected by the ear dic. Every single communication related snafu I have had here has been with pilots using the ear dic. Every single one. I am not a soft talker either. It needs to get added to the FSAP form and ALPA needs to start taking hearing loss/communication seriously. If they take them ALL out of the airplanes and issue me a Bose I will use em. Until then, freedom of choice is my vote. |
Originally Posted by Shrek
(Post 3682472)
Nah…..I’m good with what I got.
If they take them ALL out of the airplanes and issue me a Bose I will use em. Until then, freedom of choice is my vote. |
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 3682476)
Ok, freedom of choice, I’ll wear my headset then. You can yell over my hearing protection if you have something important to say.
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I really wish they'd hurry up and make this a requirement. Everyone uses a headset anyway, even the crusty b00mer types who make $300k but can't be bothered to spend any money on a decent headset.
The only seriously unsafe things I've dealt with at UAL were exactly for this reason. Crusty dudes refusing to use intercom, either can't hear me or can't hear ATC, whatever. It's a huge safety issue, and I'm sure the subject of many an FSAP. The sooner they put this into SOP, the better. There is zero reason to not use the technology, especially when communicating is the single most important thing we do in CRM. |
Originally Posted by khergan
(Post 3682527)
I really wish they'd hurry up and make this a requirement. Everyone uses a headset anyway, even the crusty b00mer types who make $300k but can't be bothered to spend any money on a decent headset.
The only seriously unsafe things I've dealt with at UAL were exactly for this reason. Crusty dudes refusing to use intercom, either can't hear me or can't hear ATC, whatever. It's a huge safety issue, and I'm sure the subject of many an FSAP. The sooner they put this into SOP, the better. There is zero reason to not use the technology, especially when communicating is the single most important thing we do in CRM. And BTW, you'll most likely be a crusty pilot someday, so tread lightly 😂 |
Sidebar about the intercoms....
How do you operate in Asia without headsets? The language barrier is bad enough I couldn't imagine trying to listen to ATC through a speaker. |
Originally Posted by wankel7
(Post 3682806)
Sidebar about the intercoms....
How do you operate in Asia without headsets? The language barrier is bad enough I couldn't imagine trying to listen to ATC through a speaker. |
Immediately following the SLI I took a bid from IAD to EWR and was one of the earliest UAL pilots to fly with an all CAL crew on a CAL airplane. When I showed up at the plane there was no mini-tel and I had to ask maintenance to bring one up. Subsequently I learned that at CAL pilots purchased their own headset. I bought a headset for myself ( Telex Airman 8) and have worn one ever since. I much prefer sharing my own kudeees on the mic then the kudeees of other UAL pilots :) but seriously I agree we should all use headsets. Trouble is our FOM is still beholden to "Gold Standards" UAL acquired from the Pan Am era. I remember one FO complaining about a UAL legacy captain who is very high in ALPA even today who would berate her for wanting to use the intercom and explain how her use of a headset was dangerous as it reduced her awareness of ambient noise. That's the heart of the problem as regards headsets - old dudes from my generation who seemingly have a hard time learning new tricks :D and don't even get me started on cross tuning in the triple which some silly UAL pilots still forbid - unbelievable!
FOM 17.10.1 A personal headset may be used on the flight deck for communication only if approved under an FAA Technical Standard Order (TSO) for aviation use. If the headset is of a noise-cancelling type, it will reduce background noise levels that can diminish the volume of important environmental sounds and alarms. The FAA cautions that these headsets may make it difficult to hear communications between pilots, abnormal engine or mechanical sounds, aural alarms, vibrations, and wind noises. Pilots using TSO-compliant noise-cancelling headsets should perform an evaluation both on the ground and in flight during normal operations to ensure their model of noise-cancelling headset allows them to hear the sounds and alarms described above. If the pilot's model of headset does not permit the sounds described above, it shall not be used. |
Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 3682885)
Immediately following the SLI I took a bid from IAD to EWR and was one of the earliest UAL pilots to fly with an all CAL crew on a CAL airplane. When I showed up at the plane there was no mini-tel and I had to ask maintenance to bring one up. Subsequently I learned that at CAL pilots purchased their own headset. I bought a headset for myself ( Telex Airman 8) and have worn one ever since. I much prefer sharing my own kudeees on the mic then the kudeees of other UAL pilots :) but seriously I agree we should all use headsets. Trouble is our FOM is still beholden to "Gold Standards" UAL acquired from the Pan Am era. I remember one FO complaining about a UAL legacy captain who is very high in ALPA even today who would berate her for wanting to use the intercom and explain how her use of a headset was dangerous as it reduced her awareness of ambient noise. That's the heart of the problem as regards headsets - old dudes from my generation who seemingly have a hard time learning new tricks :D and don't even get me started on cross tuning in the triple which some silly UAL pilots still forbid - unbelievable!
FOM 17.10.1 |
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 3682476)
Ok, freedom of choice, I’ll wear my headset then. You can yell over my hearing protection if you have something important to say.
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