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Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3681764)
It would be strange for a 20000 hour pilot to make this kind of error. Granted, he had 500 or so hours on the tripple but this is a VERY experienced aviator. Maybe it is just as simple as you state but some of us don't see a man with this much stick time dropping the nose @30 degrees in a matter of seconds for a non alert configuration snafu.
Speed limit indicators that come down and an altitude tape that comes down indicating a climb. Asking for flaps 5 followed by an expectation bias (speed limit moving up) and a speed limit moving down (flaps 15) could lead to an impulsive reaction of pushing pitch down to stay out of the “red”. At least it can’t be ruled out as a possibility. Was the PF prior experience mostly on analog? Was the PM somewhat passive? Did they have a prior experience, as in a Captain that starts every conversation with “on the classic we….” vs a FO that hit every downturn in the industry (number of types?) that’s just there for the paycheck? No offense but it’s a human factors combination we cannot rule out. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3681764)
It would be strange for a 20000 hour pilot to make this kind of error. Granted, he had 500 or so hours on the tripple but this is a VERY experienced aviator. Maybe it is just as simple as you state but some of us don't see a man with this much stick time dropping the nose @30 degrees in a matter of seconds for a non alert configuration snafu.
Conversely, all my new FOs seem to have decent hand flying skills because they've come from RJs where they were hand flying a decent amount or the military where they were also doing lots of hand flying. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3681764)
It would be strange for a 20000 hour pilot to make this kind of error. Granted, he had 500 or so hours on the tripple but this is a VERY experienced aviator. Maybe it is just as simple as you state but some of us don't see a man with this much stick time dropping the nose @30 degrees in a matter of seconds for a non alert configuration snafu.
We have a lot of systems & practices in place to minimize these risks (GPWS to the rescue on this one) sometimes to the point of complacency- but don’t ever let yourself believe you or the guy sitting next to you is too experienced to make a devastating mistake. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3681764)
It would be strange for a 20000 hour pilot to make this kind of error. Granted, he had 500 or so hours on the tripple but this is a VERY experienced aviator. Maybe it is just as simple as you state but some of us don't see a man with this much stick time dropping the nose @30 degrees in a matter of seconds for a non alert configuration snafu.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 3681747)
Thats the base line.
But from a safety standpoint the question is why did a high time professional pilot allow themselves to fixate, lose SA and almost crash an airplane over a completely benign mis set flap handle. And that is far more complex answer than what you wrote above. I see human factors, flying skill, instrument misinterpretation, improper response, CRM, and training issues to name a few. Simply stated that was a situation that any mildly accomplished professional pilot should be able to handle without the slightest amount of trouble. Edited to add: There’s not a single solitary one of you losers on here that are qualified to give me a “happy ending”. |
Originally Posted by CatPilot1
(Post 3681809)
I’m a dog that likes peanut butter. How about now?
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The mini-tel ear dic set up needs to be banned as a headset option.
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Originally Posted by AirportJunkie
(Post 3681907)
The mini-tel ear dic set up needs to be banned as a headset option.
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
(Post 3681697)
I’m not sure why the hostility but at least help me understand the conspiracy angle. As I read it, the story is FP stops focusing on flying the plane during a power & configuration change in turbulent air under IMC & ends up in an unusual attitude. Why does that demand further information? Exactly what part of that doesn’t pass your sniff test?
Hoss is a big boy & is free to clarify his cryptic statement if he wants to. If not, there isn’t much point in you & I debating over what he may or may not have meant, wouldn’t you say? I think you’re missing your virtue signaling in the other thread…. |
Issue all pilots ANR headsets and mandate intercom use below 180.
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