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Originally Posted by hummingbear
(Post 3681413)
I don’t doubt he knows the 777 better than me (I’ve never flown it), but I don’t need a type rating to know that if you stare at the flap gauge while hand flying in IMC you can end up with the greasy side up in a hurry.
I’m nobody & hoss may well be privy to information I’m not. |
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
(Post 3681330)
Yep……If you are going to hand fly then fly the airplane…..If you don’t trust the guy you are flying with then turn in the AP.
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet
(Post 3680836)
At my last airline, we always used the intercom. Same equipment here, the majority of pilots act like keeping the intercom off will impress Jodie Foster. I find myself more times than I should having to ask a callout to be repeated because I can't understand what they just asked for. I don't know what the SOP is on the 777 but I can totally see this exact scenario happening on my fleet.
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3681537)
Yeah…unfortunately we don’t do that here. Many of these more “seasoned” captains prefer using the ear dicks and no intercom because “if it’s good enough for Mission Control at NASA then it’s good enough for us.” Honestly it’s a safety issue when you can’t converse with the person next to you.
Its sad but funny. Truth too. |
Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 3681477)
Well good for you.
Thats what I’m getting at :rolleyes: Distraction - Loss of SA - Undesired Aircraft State - Recognition - Recovery |
Originally Posted by LJ Driver
(Post 3681627)
Distraction - Loss of SA - Undesired Aircraft State - Recognition - Recovery
Distraction - Loss of SA - Undesired Aircraft State - Recognition - Recovery - Learning |
Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 3681477)
Well good for you.
Hoss is a big boy & is free to clarify his cryptic statement if he wants to. If not, there isn’t much point in you & I debating over what he may or may not have meant, wouldn’t you say? |
Originally Posted by HouseOfPAE
(Post 3681677)
I think you meant:
Distraction - Loss of SA - Undesired Aircraft State - Recognition - Recovery - Learning But from a safety standpoint the question is why did a high time professional pilot allow themselves to fixate, lose SA and almost crash an airplane over a completely benign mis set flap handle. And that is far more complex answer than what you wrote above. I see human factors, flying skill, instrument misinterpretation, improper response, CRM, and training issues to name a few. Simply stated that was a situation that any mildly accomplished professional pilot should be able to handle without the slightest amount of trouble. Edited to add: There’s not a single solitary one of you losers on here that are qualified to give me a “happy ending”. |
Originally Posted by hummingbear
(Post 3681697)
I’m not sure why the hostility but at least help me understand the conspiracy angle. As I read it, the story is FP stops focusing on flying the plane during a power & configuration change in turbulent air under IMC & ends up in an unusual attitude. Why does that demand further information? Exactly what part of that doesn’t pass your sniff test?
Hoss is a big boy & is free to clarify his cryptic statement if he wants to. If not, there isn’t much point in you & I debating over what he may or may not have meant, wouldn’t you say? |
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