Delta’s WidgetSeniority Comparison?
08-19-2023 | 05:14 AM
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Delta’s WidgetSeniority Comparison?
Delta has a pretty cool website called WidgetSeniority ran by a retiree that’s updated every month. Potential new hires are also welcome and will show where you’d end up based on your birthday, when you can hold each requirement in base, upgrade, etc….does UA have any resources at all to show where someone hired today based on your birthday would end up at 65 as another tool to compare UA/DL? For someone mid 20’s, where is the seniority progression better?
08-19-2023 | 06:13 AM
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Delta has a pretty cool website called WidgetSeniority ran by a retiree that’s updated every month. Potential new hires are also welcome and will show where you’d end up based on your birthday, when you can hold each requirement in base, upgrade, etc….does UA have any resources at all to show where someone hired today based on your birthday would end up at 65 as another tool to compare UA/DL? For someone mid 20’s, where is the seniority progression better?
We can go on CCS and look at our seniority progression month by month but that’s about it. Nothing available for those who don’t work here that I’m aware of.
Also, that’s a pretty arbitrary number past about a year. Things could get better, get worse, they could stop hiring all together and decide to shrink or retire a whole fleet of aircraft. If you’re making your decision based on where you’re gonna be in 20 years that’s the wrong way to look at it. For all we know Delta and United maybe one company in 20 years time.
You need to look at QOL. Where will you be based? Do you want to live in any of their bases if you don’t commute? Do you want to fly widebodies vs narrow bodies? Those are the questions among others that you need to ask yourself.
08-19-2023 | 06:17 AM
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Delta has a pretty cool website called WidgetSeniority ran by a retiree that’s updated every month. Potential new hires are also welcome and will show where you’d end up based on your birthday, when you can hold each requirement in base, upgrade, etc….does UA have any resources at all to show where someone hired today based on your birthday would end up at 65 as another tool to compare UA/DL? For someone mid 20’s, where is the seniority progression better?
08-19-2023 | 06:30 AM
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08-19-2023 | 08:01 AM
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In addition to CCS, there is Unitedseniority.com. Also need to be an an employee, though. The difference in seniority is pretty negligible and totally unpredictable over a career as someone so young. Go where you want to live.
08-20-2023 | 05:08 AM
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We can go on CCS and look at our seniority progression month by month but that’s about it. Nothing available for those who don’t work here that I’m aware of.
Also, that’s a pretty arbitrary number past about a year. Things could get better, get worse, they could stop hiring all together and decide to shrink or retire a whole fleet of aircraft. If you’re making your decision based on where you’re gonna be in 20 years that’s the wrong way to look at it. For all we know Delta and United maybe one company in 20 years time.
You need to look at QOL. Where will you be based? Do you want to live in any of their bases if you don’t commute? Do you want to fly widebodies vs narrow bodies? Those are the questions among others that you need to ask yourself.
Also, that’s a pretty arbitrary number past about a year. Things could get better, get worse, they could stop hiring all together and decide to shrink or retire a whole fleet of aircraft. If you’re making your decision based on where you’re gonna be in 20 years that’s the wrong way to look at it. For all we know Delta and United maybe one company in 20 years time.
You need to look at QOL. Where will you be based? Do you want to live in any of their bases if you don’t commute? Do you want to fly widebodies vs narrow bodies? Those are the questions among others that you need to ask yourself.
The numbers I present are approximate guesses based on an old man's memory so if they're not 100% accurate I apologize, but just to put a little emphasis on this point . . .
When I was hired in 1996 there were about 8400 United pilots and the program that was available at that time predicted I would make 747 captain at age 54 with about 6 years to go. Just before bankruptcy I think UAL had between 10 and 11,000 pilots and models showed me making 747 captain at about 52. Fast forward to the MAD date (I forget what MAD stands for but it was the date used to officially take a snapshot of seniority and aircraft at UAL and CAL for purposes of the merger) and the UAL list had something like 5400 active pilots and models showed me never making 747 captain. I made 777 captain February of 2022 at age 55 meaning I will have 9-10 years at the top paid position if I stay (which I fully intend NOT to do).
Point is throughout my career there were wild swings in future expectations, but oddly enough in the end it worked out even better than I originally hoped. Also, let's not forget that other pilots of my generation had even wilder swings in expectations since they found themselves pushed out of the industry altogether on several occasions.
Age old pilot advice: Don't make plans based on what you think or hope will happen. Bid and fly what you want and like today; don't pin your happiness on future hopes, live within your means, and always have a plan for the worst.
08-20-2023 | 07:06 AM
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The numbers I present are approximate guesses based on an old man's memory so if they're not 100% accurate I apologize, but just to put a little emphasis on this point . . .
When I was hired in 1996 there were about 8400 United pilots and the program that was available at that time predicted I would make 747 captain at age 54 with about 6 years to go. Just before bankruptcy I think UAL had between 10 and 11,000 pilots and models showed me making 747 captain at about 52. Fast forward to the MAD date (I forget what MAD stands for but it was the date used to officially take a snapshot of seniority and aircraft at UAL and CAL for purposes of the merger) and the UAL list had something like 5400 active pilots and models showed me never making 747 captain. I made 777 captain February of 2022 at age 55 meaning I will have 9-10 years at the top paid position if I stay (which I fully intend NOT to do).
Point is throughout my career there were wild swings in future expectations, but oddly enough in the end it worked out even better than I originally hoped. Also, let's not forget that other pilots of my generation had even wilder swings in expectations since they found themselves pushed out of the industry altogether on several occasions.
Age old pilot advice: Don't make plans based on what you think or hope will happen. Bid and fly what you want and like today; don't pin your happiness on future hopes, live within your means, and always have a plan for the worst.
When I was hired in 1996 there were about 8400 United pilots and the program that was available at that time predicted I would make 747 captain at age 54 with about 6 years to go. Just before bankruptcy I think UAL had between 10 and 11,000 pilots and models showed me making 747 captain at about 52. Fast forward to the MAD date (I forget what MAD stands for but it was the date used to officially take a snapshot of seniority and aircraft at UAL and CAL for purposes of the merger) and the UAL list had something like 5400 active pilots and models showed me never making 747 captain. I made 777 captain February of 2022 at age 55 meaning I will have 9-10 years at the top paid position if I stay (which I fully intend NOT to do).
Point is throughout my career there were wild swings in future expectations, but oddly enough in the end it worked out even better than I originally hoped. Also, let's not forget that other pilots of my generation had even wilder swings in expectations since they found themselves pushed out of the industry altogether on several occasions.
Age old pilot advice: Don't make plans based on what you think or hope will happen. Bid and fly what you want and like today; don't pin your happiness on future hopes, live within your means, and always have a plan for the worst.
08-20-2023 | 08:19 AM
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The numbers I present are approximate guesses based on an old man's memory so if they're not 100% accurate I apologize, but just to put a little emphasis on this point . . .
When I was hired in 1996 there were about 8400 United pilots and the program that was available at that time predicted I would make 747 captain at age 54 with about 6 years to go. Just before bankruptcy I think UAL had between 10 and 11,000 pilots and models showed me making 747 captain at about 52. Fast forward to the MAD date (I forget what MAD stands for but it was the date used to officially take a snapshot of seniority and aircraft at UAL and CAL for purposes of the merger) and the UAL list had something like 5400 active pilots and models showed me never making 747 captain. I made 777 captain February of 2022 at age 55 meaning I will have 9-10 years at the top paid position if I stay (which I fully intend NOT to do).
Point is throughout my career there were wild swings in future expectations, but oddly enough in the end it worked out even better than I originally hoped. Also, let's not forget that other pilots of my generation had even wilder swings in expectations since they found themselves pushed out of the industry altogether on several occasions.
Age old pilot advice: Don't make plans based on what you think or hope will happen. Bid and fly what you want and like today; don't pin your happiness on future hopes, live within your means, and always have a plan for the worst.
When I was hired in 1996 there were about 8400 United pilots and the program that was available at that time predicted I would make 747 captain at age 54 with about 6 years to go. Just before bankruptcy I think UAL had between 10 and 11,000 pilots and models showed me making 747 captain at about 52. Fast forward to the MAD date (I forget what MAD stands for but it was the date used to officially take a snapshot of seniority and aircraft at UAL and CAL for purposes of the merger) and the UAL list had something like 5400 active pilots and models showed me never making 747 captain. I made 777 captain February of 2022 at age 55 meaning I will have 9-10 years at the top paid position if I stay (which I fully intend NOT to do).
Point is throughout my career there were wild swings in future expectations, but oddly enough in the end it worked out even better than I originally hoped. Also, let's not forget that other pilots of my generation had even wilder swings in expectations since they found themselves pushed out of the industry altogether on several occasions.
Age old pilot advice: Don't make plans based on what you think or hope will happen. Bid and fly what you want and like today; don't pin your happiness on future hopes, live within your means, and always have a plan for the worst.
08-20-2023 | 08:51 AM
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because the average life span of an airline pilot is 72.3 years old
I think the British came up with that if a person flies till 65
so for those that dream 67 remember you have 5.3 years if that hold any truth to it
cockpit to casket no thanks
life is beautiful! Enjoy it ! There is more to flying unless you don’t know how to enjoy anything else
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