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The fundamental answer is the they are ALL really good jobs. If only one were hiring ... people would be falling over each other to go there. They are each, in general, vastly better than almost any other job in aviation.
I'd also say the unknowable differences vastly exceed the knowable ones. So take the first offer and if you wanna live somewhere else ... keep applying. Give priority to a fortress hub (DFW, IAH, ATL, MIA, MSP, DTW, DEN) or someplace too big to fail (NYC, ORD, LAX, WAS) |
Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 3723617)
We've had recent newhires go right to the 330 and 350, and not all in NYC either. Also, with our new uniform, single breasted blazers are now an option. But from what I hear, good luck getting anything to fit correctly and you still have to wear a hat, so there's that.
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun
(Post 3723783)
…oh you mean Detroit? Lol!
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Originally Posted by Snoopy233
(Post 3723209)
Been digging a lot recently but would apprecitate any notes ... Any key points in diffrences of QOL, pay, contract?
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 3723281)
One could argue that if you're going to be commuting regardless, AA would be the better choice as it has a one flight commuter policy and reservable JS 8 days out.
But the short answer is go where you can drive to work. Period. The rest is gravy. Totally agree with the "go where stand to live and drive to work" mantra.
Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 3723617)
We've had recent newhires go right to the 330 and 350, and not all in NYC either. Also, with our new uniform, single breasted blazers are now an option. But from what I hear, good luck getting anything to fit correctly and you still have to wear a hat, so there's that.
We have had 5 monthly bids (6th closed today, results pending), and WB FO is very consitently taking 70% at DL to hold (roughly 11500 out of 16500ish and climbing). Barring Covid 2.0 or WWIII, DL will never see NH's get a WB again. At projected hiring rates, it will take the better part of a decade before a pilot hired tomorrow will hit 70%. FWIW. //break, break// I will never understand why people feel the need to snarkily crap on and condescend to people who are hear just trying to learn, and ask qeuestions. Never. To the OP, just ignore them, don't hold it against the company whose forum you are in, becaus the vast majority to pilots at all three are good peple, and they all have a few who are just complkete A-Holes. Noone has the market cornered in that department.... All 3 Majors have very, very similar contracts now. Many of the differences have been eliminated with the recent round of new contracts. The nuances are not worth considereing over the aforementioned "live in base", or where you can easily commiute. If you absolutely can't decide, go where your seniority will rise the best over the long term. Good Luck. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3723876)
All 3 Majors have very, very similar contracts now. Many of the differences have been eliminated with the recent round of new contracts. The nuances are not worth considereing over the aforementioned "live in base", or where you can easily commiute. If you absolutely can't decide, go where your seniority will rise the best over the long term. Good Luck. I've worked with guys who were Captains around 30, w/b CA's before 40, and 777 CA's by 50. Life was unfair to them. Some miserable people. On the other side I've flown with guys who've lost young kids. That's a pain that will never go away. Guess who's miserable?? Despite all the pain they're not miserable despite the pain they're dealing with. Minor point...if guys have several options and plan to fly w/b's I'd say figure out where they'd sit among the w/b's at the end of their careers. United has more large w/b's than DL and AA. If they want to try and come up with a WAG about the value of each final seniority number (actually figuring out year by year for the career is better....but that takes more effort to figure out) I'd give UA a 30% bump and DL a 15% bump over AA's final seniority number. Eg retire at 1000 @ AA? Delta 1150 and UA 1300 seniority might have the same effective w/b relative seniority. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3723876)
This is very outdated, NH's have not gotten a 330/350/764 at DL in nearly a year (and was an odd confluence of drivers beyond the scope of this discussion). We have had 5 monthly bids (6th closed today, results pending), and WB FO is very consitently taking 70% at DL to hold (roughly 11500 out of 16500ish and climbing). Barring Covid 2.0 or WWIII, DL will never see NH's get a WB again. At projected hiring rates, it will take the better part of a decade before a pilot hired tomorrow will hit 70%. FWIW. |
Originally Posted by Sixty N Two
(Post 3723234)
United has most widebody flying, but you’ll probably have to fly out of Newark for awhile
Delta has more premium pay opportunities and but will take a long time to get a WB seat. Delta also has double breasted (Aka Russian Navy Officer) jackets American is the third Major… go here if you can live in base |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3723884)
I'd give UA a 30% bump and DL a 15% bump over AA's final seniority number. Eg retire at 1000 @ AA? Delta 1150 and UA 1300 seniority might have the same effective w/b relative seniority.
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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs
(Post 3723952)
Relative seniority doesn’t really play a huge role in livable hub like DEN for UAL.
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