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RippinClapBombs 11-13-2023 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3724020)
"Livable hub"?

Haha you read that correctly. Of course just my opinion. The Woodlands (IAH) is somewhat decent I think, but other than that…

Tinpusher007 11-13-2023 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3723952)
I can hold DFW WB CA at AAL before any WB CA base at DAL.

Are you not counting our 7ER category as WB? I obviosuly dont work for AA but Im hard pressed to believe you're holding DFW 787/777 Capt but wouldnt be able to hold 7ER in ATL or NYC when we have a 24 yr old with about a year's seniority doing just that.

RippinClapBombs 11-13-2023 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 3724031)
Are you not counting our 7ER category as WB? I obviosuly dont work for AA but Im hard pressed to believe you're holding DFW 787/777 Capt but wouldnt be able to hold 7ER in ATL or NYC when we have a 24 yr old with about a year's seniority doing just that.

No I’m not including 7ER.

60av8tor 11-13-2023 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3724027)
Haha you read that correctly. Of course just my opinion. The Woodlands (IAH) is somewhat decent I think, but other than that…

Yeah, I grew up in PA, but lived in warm climates pretty much my entire adult life. Will never be a huge fan of the cold, but PA is low COL and quick drive to EWR with pretty good WB seniority. When I read the AA PHL 78 thread and read how senior it is, I'm happy I'm able to deal with PA 😀

threeighteen 11-13-2023 01:56 PM

all the fedex/ups guys are going to PSA, so maybe take a look at PSA too.

threeighteen 11-13-2023 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 3724031)
Are you not counting our 7ER category as WB? I obviosuly dont work for AA but Im hard pressed to believe you're holding DFW 787/777 Capt but wouldnt be able to hold 7ER in ATL or NYC when we have a 24 yr old with about a year's seniority doing just that.

7ER pays narrowbody rates, is dying soon, and doesn't do high paying WB type trips. Not much point in including it in a comparison.

RippinClapBombs 11-13-2023 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3724034)
Yeah, I grew up in PA, but lived in warm climates pretty much my entire adult life. Will never be a huge fan of the cold, but PA is low COL and quick drive to EWR with pretty good WB seniority. When I read the AA PHL 78 thread and read how senior it is, I'm happy I'm able to deal with PA 😀

Honestly I envy you. Anyone that can make a NYC hub drivable has it made.

Sliceback 11-13-2023 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3723952)
Idk how you came up with any of these numbers and percentages. It reads as if you’re just shooting from the hip. I can hold DFW WB CA at AAL before any WB CA base at DAL. That has everything to do with seniority progression. Sure, UAL provides the fastest path to WB if commuting to the west/east coast is your jam. Relative seniority doesn’t really play a huge role in livable hub like DEN for UAL.

I said it's a WAG. Actually a bit of a SWAG when you look at the large w/b fleet counts at all 3 airlines.

The great news at DL is that there's no 767 replacement smaller than a 330/787. Delta's 'larger than 767' fleet, and pilots getting larger aircraft pay, will be larger in the short to medium future.

FangsF15 11-14-2023 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3724044)
7ER pays narrowbody rates, is dying soon, and doesn't do high paying WB type trips. Not much point in including it in a comparison.

Not exactly. At DL, the 7ER pays abour $15/hour above all the other NB's (except the 321-NEO, and likely the 73Max when it arrives), which is not as "high paying" as the "true" WB categories I will grant. Because the 7ER category is mixed with NB and WB airframes (757 & 767-300) I would never argue it's a WB category, but it does contain WB's. This a source of debate even amongst ourselves, exclusively because of the pay difference and the "discount" on 763 flying the company gets as a result.

However, the category will be around past 2030 at least, and absolutely does WB type trips on the 76-300. Other than payrates, 763 trips are otherwise identical to the 330/350/767-400 (at DL, the -400 is a separate WB-only category). Further, as Sliceback alluded to, DL has already started retiring the 763's - 6 of approximately 45 remaining will retire next year - no word on how fast after '24. They will all be replaced by 330/350's, and will become the "highest rate" as replacements arrive.

At a minimum, it's a "tweener" category, which does some WB flying. Again, I'm not necessarily arguing it should be in a WB-to-WB comparison without caveat, but just wanted that clarifiation out there.

Milksheikh 11-14-2023 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 3724031)
Are you not counting our 7ER category as WB? I obviosuly dont work for AA but Im hard pressed to believe you're holding DFW 787/777 Capt but wouldnt be able to hold 7ER in ATL or NYC when we have a 24 yr old with about a year's seniority doing just that.

By wide body he’s meaning highest paying category. Since the ER is significantly less than the 330/350, he’s not counting it.


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