Using TK for yard work?
12-11-2023 | 09:24 AM
#51
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Is this a joke? You expect your FOs to review the flight plan before you even get to the airport? What about when you have an hour or less turn? Is that not enough time for you to prepare yourself? How did you accomplish this van briefing session before we had ipads? Did you print it out in the hotel business center?
It’s a nice change of pace when I fly with a seasoned FO.
12-11-2023 | 09:46 AM
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Is this a joke? You expect your FOs to review the flight plan before you even get to the airport? What about when you have an hour or less turn? Is that not enough time for you to prepare yourself? How did you accomplish this van briefing session before we had ipads? Did you print it out in the hotel business center?
Widebody I like a quick brief in the van, usually can ride is a hour and gives me more time at hotel to get food, coffee whatever, but I await the captains lead, I wouldn’t put my hand up and ask for it. Most of the time they do a basic flight plan brief and call the dispatcher etc.
12-11-2023 | 12:02 PM
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Is this a joke? You expect your FOs to review the flight plan before you even get to the airport? What about when you have an hour or less turn? Is that not enough time for you to prepare yourself? How did you accomplish this van briefing session before we had ipads? Did you print it out in the hotel business center?
I look at it at the hotel and work everything out with dispatch before the van then have a very quick and casual convo in the van. I do this so we are never rushed. I hate being rushed and it is because of Jackass United and Continental CAs that never prepare until they are in the seat and then expect me to do everything to get the flight out and then mentor me on how I’m not moving fast enough.
if you you don’t want to talk tell we are in the seat that is fine but we better be on time. I will never rush you and if we are late we will talk about it. If we are consistently late then we will have a convo about professionalism.
do your job however you like but do it well.
12-11-2023 | 07:46 PM
#54
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I happen to fly with quite a few half-wingers that don’t prep ahead so I have to take time to mentor them on being a professional pilot.
we don’t do a deep dive on the flight plan in the van. It’s a simple “what do you think? How’s the gas? Many times I get the blank stare, that’s a CA’s job or I don’t start working till I get to the plane.
Guess what happens next, we barely can get the jet prepped for departure and that’s with the divide/conquer method.
Quite a few of the half-wingers spent less then 5 yrs at the regional level and they didn’t have the mentorship they needed. Their CA’s there barely knew how to perform their jobs. We’re seeing the effects of lack of leadership/mentorship at the RJ level coming to UA.
I spend time in cruise attempting to mentor the half-wingers and help them understand what it takes to be a professional pilot. Some accept it, some reject it. Those pilots in the latter half get a “not nice probie report/call to pro-standards”. I have had one half-winger that after I contacted pro-standards they let me know I wasn’t the first CA to call regarding their lack of professionalism
we don’t do a deep dive on the flight plan in the van. It’s a simple “what do you think? How’s the gas? Many times I get the blank stare, that’s a CA’s job or I don’t start working till I get to the plane.
Guess what happens next, we barely can get the jet prepped for departure and that’s with the divide/conquer method.
Quite a few of the half-wingers spent less then 5 yrs at the regional level and they didn’t have the mentorship they needed. Their CA’s there barely knew how to perform their jobs. We’re seeing the effects of lack of leadership/mentorship at the RJ level coming to UA.
I spend time in cruise attempting to mentor the half-wingers and help them understand what it takes to be a professional pilot. Some accept it, some reject it. Those pilots in the latter half get a “not nice probie report/call to pro-standards”. I have had one half-winger that after I contacted pro-standards they let me know I wasn’t the first CA to call regarding their lack of professionalism
side note……”barely get the plane ready with the divide/conquer method”??
You can’t program the box, brief the FAs, AND do the walk (both of them) within about 15-20 minutes? Alone?
Unless there is a maintenance issue, EDCT questions, etc…..this job is SUPER easy to do with the 45 minutes we are given.
Guess what? I also don’t meet in the CPO. What a waste of time.
12-11-2023 | 08:56 PM
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It’s guys like you that make me ECSTATIC to not have to fly with CAs. I mentor guys when they need it, and definitely when they want it. I’m not an LCA, and neither are you. I realize you were, but that was also when our former employer was scraping. I fly with almost nothing BUT half-wingers, and they’re usually not in much need of redirection. Self-appointed crusaders were my least favorite to fly with. Keep trying to force me to discuss the flight with you…I’ll just put in earbuds. Show time is when my duty day starts.
side note……”barely get the plane ready with the divide/conquer method”??
You can’t program the box, brief the FAs, AND do the walk (both of them) within about 15-20 minutes? Alone?
Unless there is a maintenance issue, EDCT questions, etc…..this job is SUPER easy to do with the 45 minutes we are given.
Guess what? I also don’t meet in the CPO. What a waste of time.
side note……”barely get the plane ready with the divide/conquer method”??
You can’t program the box, brief the FAs, AND do the walk (both of them) within about 15-20 minutes? Alone?
Unless there is a maintenance issue, EDCT questions, etc…..this job is SUPER easy to do with the 45 minutes we are given.
Guess what? I also don’t meet in the CPO. What a waste of time.
Like I said not all FO’s but some. Take my last one. If you are the PF I let you load the box and I grab the walk around/do my stuff (that’s my divide/conquer).
Sounds easy. Well I had an FO that couldn’t get all the box work completed in time. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck. After 2 days of watching him struggle I offered up some advice.
12-11-2023 | 10:46 PM
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I happen to fly with quite a few half-wingers that don’t prep ahead so I have to take time to mentor them on being a professional pilot.
we don’t do a deep dive on the flight plan in the van. It’s a simple “what do you think? How’s the gas? Many times I get the blank stare, that’s a CA’s job or I don’t start working till I get to the plane.
Guess what happens next, we barely can get the jet prepped for departure and that’s with the divide/conquer method.
Quite a few of the half-wingers spent less then 5 yrs at the regional level and they didn’t have the mentorship they needed. Their CA’s there barely knew how to perform their jobs. We’re seeing the effects of lack of leadership/mentorship at the RJ level coming to UA.
I spend time in cruise attempting to mentor the half-wingers and help them understand what it takes to be a professional pilot. Some accept it, some reject it. Those pilots in the latter half get a “not nice probie report/call to pro-standards”. I have had one half-winger that after I contacted pro-standards they let me know I wasn’t the first CA to call regarding their lack of professionalism
we don’t do a deep dive on the flight plan in the van. It’s a simple “what do you think? How’s the gas? Many times I get the blank stare, that’s a CA’s job or I don’t start working till I get to the plane.
Guess what happens next, we barely can get the jet prepped for departure and that’s with the divide/conquer method.
Quite a few of the half-wingers spent less then 5 yrs at the regional level and they didn’t have the mentorship they needed. Their CA’s there barely knew how to perform their jobs. We’re seeing the effects of lack of leadership/mentorship at the RJ level coming to UA.
I spend time in cruise attempting to mentor the half-wingers and help them understand what it takes to be a professional pilot. Some accept it, some reject it. Those pilots in the latter half get a “not nice probie report/call to pro-standards”. I have had one half-winger that after I contacted pro-standards they let me know I wasn’t the first CA to call regarding their lack of professionalism
I’d counter your “probie report/call to pro-standards” with a sole source FSAP against you. Requiring FO’s to perform their duties outside of report time is not part of your job description and I’m sure the FAA would take a dim view of that.
Marvin’s and their professionalism….
12-12-2023 | 06:44 AM
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Why the big debate over when someone reviews the OFP? I personally review it in the hotel because I'm lazy, don't like to rush, and I'd rather leisurely go get a cup of coffee when I get to the airport rather than review and prep. If someone else wants to wait until they are at the airport to review the paperwork, who the hell cares as long as we push on time? This stuff isn't brain surgery.
12-12-2023 | 08:06 AM
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When we had paper flight plans the FO barely got a few minutes total to look over it 😂
12-12-2023 | 09:01 AM
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Wait.. you've never flown with a paper flight plan in your airline career... but you're mentoring FOs that they should be reviewing the flight plan and briefing with you before you even get to the airport??
When we had paper flight plans the FO barely got a few minutes total to look over it 😂
When we had paper flight plans the FO barely got a few minutes total to look over it 😂
Scratch your itch to troll over on the Delta forum, especially since you are a Delta pilot. Could you take StoneQOldcrazy and LaxtoDen back there with you please?
Internationally, folks peruse the FP on the bus on the way in, NBFD. Maybe they also let the FA's know flight time and ride report on the bus. What's your problem/agenda with how other pilots run their crew or what they personally do, other than trolling?
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