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12-12-2023 | 09:02 AM

#61

flynd94

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From: It's a plane and it's a seat

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Wait.. you've never flown with a paper flight plan in your airline career... but you're mentoring FOs that they should be reviewing the flight plan and briefing with you before you even get to the airport??

When we had paper flight plans the FO barely got a few minutes total to look over it 😂

Oh I have flown with paper flight plans that roll off the dot matrix printer and that were 40ft long. I remember the good old days……

Here’s my point. Every CA I flew with at UA always asked me in the van ride “did you look at the flight plan? What do you think about the fuel plan”. I would have an answer for them and that’s all I asking my flying partner.

Guess that makes me and every CA I flew with a Marvin

12-12-2023 | 09:19 AM

#62

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Originally Posted by flynd94

Oh I have flown with paper flight plans that roll off the dot matrix printer and that were 40ft long. I remember the good old days……

the good old days…or at delta , 6 weeks ago.

12-12-2023 | 10:38 AM

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RippinClapBombs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flynd94

Here’s my point. Every CA I flew with at UA always asked me in the van ride “did you look at the flight plan? What do you think about the fuel plan”. I would have an answer for them and that’s all I asking my flying partner.

“And the lie detector has determined… THAT WAS A LIE” said Maury.

*crowd goes wild*

12-12-2023 | 10:44 AM

#64

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Originally Posted by flynd94

I’d love to hear the response from pro-standards when you’ve contacted them for FOs not looking at the flight plan prior to duty.

12-12-2023 | 10:54 AM

#65

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

I’d love to hear the response from pro-standards when you’ve contacted them for FOs not looking at the flight plan prior to duty.

im not going to put words in his mouth. But if a half winger has the balls to look at their CA and say I don’t work tell I get to the airplane, puts earbuds in and walks away….im fairly certain there is going to be other attitude problems, professional problems and the pilot will most likely be behind in the operation, during the flight and the aircraft.

12-12-2023 | 11:00 AM

#66

MasterOfPuppets

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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs

“And the lie detector has determined… THAT WAS A LIE” said Maury.

*crowd goes wild*

not once in my time at United have I ever had a CA NOT talk about the flight on the van. He’ll L-UAL CAs used to print the OFP in cruise and deal with any issues (like gas) via ACARS. Then they would print off a scroll, roll it up and put in their shirt pocket.

y’all throughing a fit about this are probably the most vocal on the new hire upgrades too…..haven’t been around long enough….have no experience…..have no idea how the operation works…..we are going to bend metal…..then they come on here and see you guys posting this drivel chastising pilots that want to get ahead of the game. What kind of mentorship are they receiving from that?

12-12-2023 | 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

Actually, I was more curious as to what pro-standards response was. Telling people to do work prior to the start of their duty time would be a pretty big no-no on their part.

12-12-2023 | 11:25 AM

#68

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

Actually, I was more curious as to what pro-standards response was. Telling people to do work prior to the start of their duty time would be a pretty big no-no on their part.

yeah pro standards would never do that. But I also have a strong feeling that flyND would never call pro stands for ONLY the pilot not pre looking at the OFP. I am sure that there were/would need to be other issues and the fact that the pilot is not prepared is just the cherry on top.

atleast I hope that’s the case…..would be for me.

12-12-2023 | 11:47 AM

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ReadOnly7

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Originally Posted by flynd94

Nice dig/personal attack. Feel better now.

Like I said not all FO’s but some. Take my last one. If you are the PF I let you load the box and I grab the walk around/do my stuff (that’s my divide/conquer).

Sounds easy. Well I had an FO that couldn’t get all the box work completed in time. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck. After 2 days of watching him struggle I offered up some advice.

ehh…it was late and I’d been having a lame day. Ish happens, dude….I retract the dig, but the rest of my statement stands. This job is super easy 99% of the time, unless WE overcomplicate it. But, like I said….best thing about upgrading is not having to deal with 5-stripe guys ever again. That….and getting away from the temperature panel.

12-12-2023 | 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs

“And the lie detector has determined… THAT WAS A LIE” said Maury.

*crowd goes wild*

He’s not lying. We flew with the “old guard” quite a bit. The newer CAs probably don’t do it as much, because we didn’t like being bothered on the van as FOs.