Clever27

Just to clarify that is the callout time if you're converted to SC. What is the normal LC time to report? TIA

PK387

This section doesn't kick in fully until this August, but it's about to be 18 hours during most of the day, or 14 hours during the assignment window of 1200-1359 base time.

20-K-5-a For a Trip assignment, a Long Call Reserve must be assigned the Trip with a minimum of eighteen (18) hours notice prior to report time or a minimum of sixteen (16) hours notice prior to the start of a Short Call period.

20-K-5-a-(1) Notwithstanding the above, when an assignment is made in the window between 1200 and 1359 window (as prescribed in Section 20-I-6-c) the notice period shall be fourteen (14) hours to scheduled report for a Trip or start of a Short Call period.

20-K-5-a-(2) A VEC Reserve may be given an assignment while on Long Call Reserve with twelve (12) hours notice prior to the scheduled report time for a Trip or the start of a Short Call period, except that if the assignment is made on the VEC Reserve’s last day off the minimum notice required is fourteen (14) hours.

20-K-5-a-(3) A Pilot may waive these provisions.

ChapitoGomez

I had a question following this,
Currently a CA at a AA WO and live in one of their bases, Class date at United mid march. Given that they may "upgrade" me on day 1 at UAL. How would that be while on RSV? Could I sit long call at home? Can one bid on a next vacancy 756 FO even though your initial award was NBCA?
my main thing is QOL. Flow isn't till late 2026, and I can't afford to let this opportunity slip by. Any input?

hummingbear

Long call is going to 18 hour call (with some exceptions) so it should be doable from most places with direct service to the hub. Short call conversions are still a player. NH CAs are seat locked from award date so no bidding down to FO to avoid the assignment.

hummingbear

To the original post, many RSV changes go into effect in August, so while we know the language there will surely be a learning curve as to how the company interprets things, what RSV lines & types of flying go senior, junior, etc.

Having said that, I was always one of the old crazies who thought RSV wasn’t that bad here. (Big caveat: live in base.) If you’re local, don’t have a lot of scheduling constraints, & don’t mind flying a lot NBCA is a pretty good opportunity for a newbie. Flying can be hit & miss but if you want to APU trips as a RSV it’s generally possible to fly roughly as much as a lineholder.

Turbosina

I read the contract language about the VEC reserve status and it seems that it's basically a special kind of reserve for people who don't mind super early report times? Just curious.

I guess the thing that spooks me about reserve a bit is the chance of sitting around the house for weeks on end, not flying. I'd rather be out flying the line. (I know, I know...call me crazy.) Sounds like NBCAs are getting used a fair amount? And that a lot of the OT trips are actually touching weekends? I'd be bidding reserve blocks that always include weekends, so it sounds like I wouldn't be sitting around too much?

(And yes, I realize this all varies from month to month, base to base, and seat to seat, and whatever the numbers are today, will change as more senior people start to bid RSV under the new contract...)

KnightNight

What % can you start holding partial weekends off as a NBCA? 50-60? Reserve / line holder. I live on base

Spesiellsporing

Long Haul

I have been at UAL for about three months, which means that I haven't even flown my first trip after IOE. If I were based in SFO, I would be about 85% in my category already, and would be guaranteed a line once I hit 70%. There are already a dozen people junior to me that have been awarded NB CA in SFO. If you come here, you will quickly get a SFO base, quickly hold a line as an FO, and quickly hold a CA slot, if that's what you want. I left a really good job to come here, and am very glad that I did.

GoCats67

If you get a CA assignment as a new hire it is a strange new animal for us, but the rules are pretty well documented.

Lets say you get a DEN 737 CA assignment. You will get trained as a 737 FO and be based initially in DEN. On every vacancy bid (usually one a month) you can bid for laterals as both an 737 FO and a 737 CA. So, you could get an ORD 737 FO award on a vacancy bid and when the company activates that award you would then be a ORD 737 FO pilot that is waiting to go to Captain school to become a DEN 737 CA. On a subsequent vacancy bid (or even the same one) you could get a lateral to be an ORD 737 CA, then you would still be waiting to go to school, but once trained as a Captain you would get activated as an ORD 737 CA. In any case, you will need to get 500 hours at UA and be off probation before they will send you to Captain school. There are additional provisions that could allow this to happen as early as 350 hours, but those have not been implemented at this point.

In any case if you are awarded a Captain assignment as a new hire, you would not be able to bid to be an FO on a different equipment type, as your official award is 737 Cap (or A320 Cap theoretically) and you cannot bid down to an FO seat. Your only movement while still an FO is to a different domicile that your equipment is at.

As documented above, the long call rules are changing for the better beginning NLT August 24. So you would likely be done with training and OE before then, but not much. Where you can be while standing long call depends a great deal on the number of flights between where you live and where you are based. If you are relatively close and have a bunch of flights, yes you could stand long call at home. If it is far and flights are infrequent, then prob not. Folks that live in MSP and are based at ORD can prob make it work. Folks that live in MSP and are based in SFO, prob not. The night time call with minimum allowable notice for a trip the next day is usually the toughest test.