Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr

A couple of brief and relatively minor corrections. UPS is hiring, but in relatively small numbers. The 1,000 MTPIC never went away everywhere. It primarily disappeared at companies that had to hire thousands of pilots per year (legacies).

In my opinion, SkyWest’s “deal” is not wonderful, but may not have much practical negative impact on career progression. Multi-Turbine PIC time is rapidly returning to its place of primacy in the hiring process. Expect the bachelor degree requirement to follow shortly. In other words, read up on what was competitive in 2016 and you will have a good idea of what you will need to be competitive.

Originally Posted by John Carr

Exactly;

Civ only backgrounds;

10K+ TT
5K+ TPIC
And kittens rescued/soup kitechens served in.

The 8 Ball, mid-late 30's. With an occasional outlying whippersnapper that's under 30.

Originally Posted by jrcrj

Seriously? Can’t be that many out there with those times that aren’t staying put at their shop. Don’t see that being sustainable even if hiring projections have slowed.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

I will argue one needs to look at what folks were getting hired with in 2018/2019 time frame…. I think that those will be the magic numbers…. 4 to 5k TT, 1k to 2k TPIC Degree with multiple types or a LCa letter

Originally Posted by jrcrj

Seriously? Can’t be that many out there with those times that aren’t staying put at their shop. Don’t see that being sustainable even if hiring projections have slowed.

Originally Posted by jrcrj

Seriously? Can’t be that many out there with those times that aren’t staying put at their shop. Don’t see that being sustainable even if hiring projections have slowed.

Originally Posted by Turbosina

Agreed. The people with those quals are either already at their carrier of choice, or are regional lifers with zero intent to leave. I think what we're seeing is a return to the situation that existed right before covid, where you needed 1000 TPIC to be competitive, but you didn't need to have space shuttle time in your logbook...

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

He’s referring to what an average hire would have looked like in 2016 at a legacy. I’d add to that list where you got your advanced degrees from as well. If you got your MBA from Phoenix, hard pass… next! 😂

Originally Posted by SteelStingray

So, the hiring minimums are climbing back into the 500-1000+ TPIC requirement range again for United and the rest of the majors to my knowledge. And hiring this year is supposed to still be good but much softer than projected from what I’ve heard.

For those of us at OO, we are pretty much locked into the “Pathway Program” initially which requires us to get 1600 TPIC once in the program at a minimum and then flow to United within 4 months (no guarantees though). You interview for it like a traditional interview and then get accepted or rejected. We can deny the offer and then won’t be allowed to apply for 6 months to United for the traditional route.

Should we take the Pathway Program if offered or reject it and hope to be picked up sooner around the 500-1000TPIC mark? Or does anyone know if that would put you on some sort of United black list?

I know we don’t all have crystal balls but looking for some wisdom. Thanks!