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Old 11-28-2024 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dailyops
With the next UPA if we get 19-20% DC we will basically max the 401k with company contributions alone. However, if we vote in this LOA cap, then that will never happen, and you'll be stuck with 30% of your company contributions in a bonds account.
read it again. You won’t max it solely on company contributions because of the IRS limit. You can’t max it now, either, because of that.
19/20 % would just hit the company PRAP contribution sooner in the year.
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Old 11-28-2024 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
read it again. You won’t max it solely on company contributions because of the IRS limit. You can’t max it now, either, because of that.
19/20 % would just hit the company PRAP contribution sooner in the year.
Not quite. In 2024, if you made more than 345k, you would hit the 415C limit right at 20%. So, you could max the PRAP in that case on company contributions alone.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 07:59 AM
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I've seen some concerning communications from people I would expect to know the details on these things that the cap on company contributions to the PRAP, which has been the sticking point for most of us, will be there irrespective of the passage or rejection of this LOA (once the MBCBP is implemented, that is).

This feels to me like an unintended consequence that, truthfully, derails the benefits we receive from it. Ultimately, it's a dollars and cents decision, but to say I'm disappointed in that (if true) is an understatement.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Not quite. In 2024, if you made more than 345k, you would hit the 415C limit right at 20%. So, you could max the PRAP in that case on company contributions alone.
the company contribution limit is $58650. So you still need to come out of pocket to hit the max. The Loa lowers it to $46,500. So you’d need to come out even more to hit the max.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
read it again. You won’t max it solely on company contributions because of the IRS limit. You can’t max it now, either, because of that.
19/20 % would just hit the company PRAP contribution sooner in the year.
I'm saying if the LOA doesn't pass, not if it does pass.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
the company contribution limit is $58650. So you still need to come out of pocket to hit the max. The Loa lowers it to $46,500. So you’d need to come out even more to hit the max.
Read what I said again. For 2024, the limit is the 415C cap of 69k combined employee and employer contributions. Also, there is the cap on how much can be subjected to a company contributions of 345k for 2024. At 17% that equates to 58650. If it were 20%, it would be 69000, the 415C limit, thus maxing your 401k contribution on company contributions alone.

Those numbers often change annually, so it’s a bit of a chase, but at some percentage, there is always a way to maximize it.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dailyops
With the next UPA if we get 19-20% DC we will basically max the 401k with company contributions alone. However, if we vote in this LOA cap, then that will never happen, and you'll be stuck with 30% of your company contributions in a bonds account.
19-20% I chuckled a little .. the 18% we got this time was a stretch given the increased pay rates.
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Old 11-29-2024 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
I've seen some concerning communications from people I would expect to know the details on these things that the cap on company contributions to the PRAP, which has been the sticking point for most of us, will be there irrespective of the passage or rejection of this LOA (once the MBCBP is implemented, that is).

This feels to me like an unintended consequence that, truthfully, derails the benefits we receive from it. Ultimately, it's a dollars and cents decision, but to say I'm disappointed in that (if true) is an understatement.
it is true that the only way the company will implement the CPB is with the reduced company contributions cap… regardless of the out time of this LOA.. which h means if the LOA doesn’t pass, there will be no CBP .. unless..

not only does will there need to be a favorable determination letter from the IRS for the CBP , but we will also need to request a PLR (private letter ruling) on the contingent benefit rule on the PRAP. A favorable determination letter for the CPB only means that they are approving our plan, not that there is not a conflict with other plans.

The contingent benefit rule is a PRAP (401k) problme and therefore a separate PLR is necessary from the IRS to re-evaluate the PRAP with the new CBP.. however (strangely) they are under no obligation to respond or issue a PLR.
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Old 11-30-2024 | 04:20 AM
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Delta doesn’t have a cap correct? And now with a cap that’s a hard limit even 20 years from now when the IRS limits will be much higher .
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Old 11-30-2024 | 04:28 AM
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Delta doesn’t have a cap correct? And now with a cap that’s a hard limit even 20 years from now when the IRS limits will be much higher .
Yup.

Big NO from me, Bob.
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