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04-08-2025 | 07:53 PM

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RippinClapBombs

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Originally Posted by tallpilot

Hopefully that isn't what he meant. I do think it's worth pointing out that you already relie on the airline for your paycheck, it might be prudent to invest your savings in something else regardless of your opinion of the bright future of the business.

If you own Airline stock you receive an immediate invitation to the Certified Bag Holders club hosted by Berkshire Hathaway every Wednesday via Zoom at 5pm.

04-09-2025 | 12:26 PM

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Ice Bear

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Originally Posted by L8Z8

So, to be clear here, you don’t invest and believe that picking up a premium trip here and there will be an equivalent sum to compound investing over your career?

It's true I'm pretty bearish and market-pessimistic, but I do acknowledge there's a lot to be said for long term, low risk investments. The opposite of that is when I've seen pilots gamble, and I do mean gamble, a significant portion of their savings on a gut feeling their airline would pull out of its stock valuation dive. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

04-09-2025 | 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Bear

Am I the only one who thinks we make enough that gambling on stock isn't worth it? Like, you can either wager tens of thousands of dollars to get a return of xyz, or just go to work on one day of premium to make the same.

The s&p over 40 years returns 10.9% with dividends reinvested. Thats about as safe and long term data anybody should need to see.

thats like a 30 year career retiring with 2 million or 8. (Fuzzy math)

04-09-2025 | 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GPullR

Totally. That's a solid investment. I should have clarified but was more focused on day trading the airline stocks of one's employer. That being said, why don't most people just put the majority of their funds into something like the S&P? You'd be hardpressed to outperform that.

04-09-2025 | 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GPullR

how long is 11% appreciation sustainable? will the actual real value of the us equity market keep doubling every 6.5 years?

past performance is a tough sell for someone with 40 years left

04-09-2025 | 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

how long is 11% appreciation sustainable? will the actual real value of the us equity market keep doubling every 6.5 years?

past performance is a tough sell for someone with 40 years left

Some would argue that the equities markets, and to a slightly lesser extent, the housing market, are the beneficiaries of all the money printing in the last 20 years.

04-09-2025 | 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

how long is 11% appreciation sustainable? will the actual real value of the us equity market keep doubling every 6.5 years?

past performance is a tough sell for someone with 40 years left

No it's not. 80 year return 10% . How much more tried and true evidence do you need?

04-09-2025 | 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Bear

You are 100% right. Financial advisors can't best the s&p reliably especially with their fees taken out. They will all tell you that if they are being honest.

04-09-2025 | 05:21 PM

#29

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Originally Posted by YdidIChosePilot

Wow, a crazy thought... every airline combined market cap is $398B. Bitcoin $1.9T Market Cap, Ethereum market cap $483B Ethereum is worth more than every airline in the world combined... i hope ya'll bought some awhile back like i did LOL

Bitcoin doesn’t have any debt. Bragging about hitting a home run purely on a gamble is dumb.

04-09-2025 | 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

how long is 11% appreciation sustainable? will the actual real value of the us equity market keep doubling every 6.5 years?

past performance is a tough sell for someone with 40 years left

The history of the performance of the equities market is so long at this point that it (with some variability) is a good indicator of future performance. Want less risk, though—use option collars. You’ll take a hit in long term performance, but still better long term than bonds.