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Old 04-01-2025 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by coast in
Airlines have historically retired airframes right around the 30 year mark. Lots of factors go into this. 3rd heavy check happens right around 30 years and they usually find 30 years of acummulated problems when they open them up. Northwests DC9's, FedEx's 757's and, yes, United's 767-300's are the exceptions. The mid 1990's UAL A320's are probably the second least reliable fleet in the airline, after the early 1990's 767-300's. These aircraft aren't being 'parked', they are being retired. This nothing new in the Airline world.
they’re being parked 6-8 months EARLY though. They were planned to be parking at the end of the year and it got moved up early.. even with cheap fuel
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Old 04-01-2025 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by coast in
The mid 1990's UAL A320's are probably the second least reliable fleet in the airline, after the early 1990's 767-300's. These aircraft aren't being 'parked', they are being retired. This nothing new in the Airline world.
And the airline has a replacement plan including replacing the A320s with MAX’s and A321s as many have said. Not so for the 767-300s at least in the near term so they are worth the higher maintenance costs while waiting on the 787 production rate to recover. And United is not shrinking yet. UA has added 22 mainline aircraft in 2025 and just sent the first two A320s to the desert.

Here is an interesting bit on aircraft retirement.

https://blog.sourceonespares.com/exp...in%20Lifespans
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Old 04-01-2025 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
And the airline has a replacement plan including replacing the A320s with MAX’s and A321s as many have said. Not so for the 767-300s at least in the near term so they are worth the higher maintenance costs while waiting on the 787 production rate to recover. And United is not shrinking yet. UA has added 22 mainline aircraft in 2025 and just sent the first two A320s to the desert.

Here is an interesting bit on aircraft retirement.

https://blog.sourceonespares.com/exploring-aircraft-lifespans-and-retirement-decisions#:~:text=Designed%20for%20a%20service%20l ife,Factors%20Influencing%20Variations%20in%20Life spans
United takes on 86 new planes in 2025 and retires 24 adding 62 net planes to the fleet this year. The whole "United is shrinking" is BS. Also we add 9 787s this year and exit ZERO WB planes. All the planes being retired are smaller planes being replaced by larger A-321 NEOs.
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Old 04-01-2025 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JackReacher
Actually, after the new interiors and fresh coat of paint, they looked brand new. And yes, they “looked” new. The ‘Bus’ Achilles heel is the hydraulic system as they’ve aged. But the completion rate of the Airbus fleet is very similar, if not better that the others.
So why spend millions on the updated interior and new paint only to park them a few months later? Where is the return on investment?
This company just spends money like they print it. If things get tight and lean as everyone predicts , I hope they don’t need some of the cash they are blowing nowadays on uniforms no one likes and stuff like this .
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Old 04-01-2025 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OFFCOURSE
So why spend millions on the updated interior and new paint only to park them a few months later? Where is the return on investment? This company just spends money like they print it.
You might want to allow for managing a fleet of over a thousand aircraft in one of the most regulated, capital intesive businesses on earth is a bit more complicated than we might imagine. Just take a look at this web site detailing United's fleet and you will see that there is a method to the madness. My guess is that UA has never been better managed than it is right now.

https://sites.google.com/site/united...fleet-tracking
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Old 04-02-2025 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OFFCOURSE
So why spend millions on the updated interior and new paint only to park them a few months later? Where is the return on investment?
This company just spends money like they print it. If things get tight and lean as everyone predicts , I hope they don’t need some of the cash they are blowing nowadays on uniforms no one likes and stuff like this .
they haven’t painted and refreshed all of the buses.
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Old 04-02-2025 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jdt30
they haven’t painted and refreshed all of the buses.
Exactly. I know there is a dedicated website that tracks NEXT upgrades, but anecdotally not many of the 320s I've come across recently were in the updated NEXT cabin. Heck, not too long ago I was on a 320 with the old grey Econ seats.
Most NEXT airbus' have been the 319, which makes sense as they're slated to stay through 2030.
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