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05-16-2025 | 09:33 AM

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ugleeual

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Originally Posted by Gooselives

As we cut medicaid Medicare and education as the poor get more poor and the middle class slides down. Do you see more first class seats being installed? American is doing the opposite and creating more lower income seats in class below the low.

American will eventually evolve into Frontier and then Spirit… death spiral

05-16-2025 | 11:28 AM

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American will eventually evolve into Frontier and then Spirit… death spiral

No it won’t.

05-16-2025 | 11:56 AM

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Didn't they (and others) announce they were doing that 2+ years ago to compete with the ULCCs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correl...mply_causation

AA is the last US airline to have first class. I think you are confusing first and business classes. For instance the AA 321T has 10 FC, 20 business classes, 32 more room coach and 32 regular coach. 102 seats total no one else does that and no one wants to pay for it. Far roomier than 240 seats on Fromtier.

05-16-2025 | 07:14 PM

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John Carr

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I think you are confusing first and business classes. For instance the AA 321T has 10 FC, 20 business classes, 32 more room coach and 32 regular coach. 102 seats total

Pretty sure theres multiple things being conflated here;

The guy I quoted tried to make some correlation/causation argument. More seats getting jammed into AA planes while government programs being cut.

My point was, at least what I thought, was that AA announced years ago they were going to a super basic economy fare with the seats to match it. IOW, smallER seats that will on the pricing point will compete with the ULCC's.

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Far roomier than 240 seats on Fromtier.

Well, true. But our coach economy slimline (especially the 73) is barely more roomie/comfy.

05-16-2025 | 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carr

My point was, at least what I thought, was that AA announced years ago they were going to a super basic economy fare with the seats to match it.

You thought wrong.

05-17-2025 | 03:25 AM

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LearPilot88

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Didn't they (and others) announce they were doing that 2+ years ago to compete with the ULCCs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correl...mply_causation

Everyone (UAL/DL/AA) all compete with the ULCCs by offering some form of a basic economy fare.

05-17-2025 | 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LearPilot88

Everyone (UAL/DL/AA) all compete with the ULCCs by offering some form of a basic economy fare.

Delta literally invented basic economy in 2012.

05-17-2025 | 05:25 AM

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Delta literally invented basic economy in 2012.

LOL. You’re a few decades late on that estimate.

05-17-2025 | 05:48 AM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by LearPilot88

Everyone (UAL/DL/AA) all compete with the ULCCs by offering some form of a basic economy fare.

Yep, and AS MENTIONED, it was announced YEARS ago they’d be doing it.

When the ULCC’s starting expanding and encroaching into market share.

Good job following the thread.

05-17-2025 | 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LearPilot88

Everyone (UAL/DL/AA) all compete with the ULCCs by offering some form of a basic economy fare.

I experienced this with People Express when AA matched our low fares (on some seats) and helped bury us. We ended up with Frank Lorenzo. Millennials, ask your airline parents.