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Old 10-09-2025 | 01:44 PM
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With all the rumors swirling about the MOAB (Mother Of All Bids) supposedly coming next month, how junior/senior do you think upgrades will go. With the Feb vacancy with 80 spots, ORD 320 CA going to a 14,000 number, I’m thinking it’ll go pretty junior, especially on the coasts. Any thoughts?
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Old 10-09-2025 | 01:53 PM
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With all the rumors swirling about the MOAB (Mother Of All Bids) supposedly coming next month, how junior/senior do you think upgrades will go. With the Feb vacancy with 80 spots, ORD 320 CA going to a 14,000 number, I’m thinking it’ll go pretty junior, especially on the coasts. Any thoughts?
I'm guessing 15k WB FO & NB CA. Always cautiously pessimistic
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Old 10-09-2025 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cfigang
With all the rumors swirling about the MOAB (Mother Of All Bids) supposedly coming next month, how junior/senior do you think upgrades will go. With the Feb vacancy with 80 spots, ORD 320 CA going to a 14,000 number, I’m thinking it’ll go pretty junior, especially on the coasts. Any thoughts?
Mostly depends on whether the FOs sitting on the fence get FOMO and bid CA now.

I'd bet it's fairly junior on the coastal bases and senior in other places. Only time will tell. There were a lot of fence sitters who didn't take the upgrade 2 years ago who will now be wanting to take it, or at least that's my guess.
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Old 10-09-2025 | 04:43 PM
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Mostly depends on whether the FOs sitting on the fence get FOMO and bid CA now.

I'd bet it's fairly junior on the coastal bases and senior in other places. Only time will tell. There were a lot of fence sitters who didn't take the upgrade 2 years ago who will now be wanting to take it, or at least that's my guess.

annoying as that is, that’s my guess too. But it’s time . I get many complaints of 11 year F.Os taking all the good trips. So hopefully some of them upgrade so I can stop hearing those seemingly valid complaints.
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Old 10-09-2025 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
I'm guessing 15k WB FO & NB CA. Always cautiously pessimistic
I think 15k is a reasonable guess for plug NB CA on the coasts. I’d expect fewer WB FO vacancies though, and for that to go more senior. Both of these guesses subject to change once we see the actual bid, of course…
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Old 10-09-2025 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cfigang
With all the rumors swirling about the MOAB (Mother Of All Bids) supposedly coming next month, how junior/senior do you think upgrades will go. With the Feb vacancy with 80 spots, ORD 320 CA going to a 14,000 number, I’m thinking it’ll go pretty junior, especially on the coasts. Any thoughts?
this is going to be a far cry from a MOAB…..it’s just ALL of the 737 Captain bids for summer 2026. considering the CR Update stated the 737 bids will be on the coasts tells me we are still well staffed.

DEC will be the 320 CA bids for 2026 and it’s just for 321 growth in the inland bases.

i think 15K is reasonable. But outside EWR/SFO it’ll probably be north of 13K
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Old 10-09-2025 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
this is going to be a far cry from a MOAB…..it’s just ALL of the 737 Captain bids for summer 2026. considering the CR Update stated the 737 bids will be on the coasts tells me we are still well staffed.

DEC will be the 320 CA bids for 2026 and it’s just for 321 growth in the inland bases.

i think 15K is reasonable. But outside EWR/SFO it’ll probably be north of 13K
I have correspondence from Manpower Planning last week that said any CA vacancies offered after the November bid will be in the same categories already offered as they finalize numbers for the summer so take that for what it's worth. I'm not saying this is going to be a 4 figure bid, but I would be stunned if we didn't have multiple hundred NBCA vacancies on this one. We're not understaffed right now, but with all the aircraft we'll have on property by next summer, we would be if not for this bid.
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Old 10-09-2025 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
I'm guessing 15k WB FO & NB CA. Always cautiously pessimistic
man we realllllyyyy just missed the NH CA Vacancies and will be paying for it for a while 😭
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Old 10-10-2025 | 01:42 AM
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man we realllllyyyy just missed the NH CA Vacancies and will be paying for it for a while 😭
if it makes you feel better, it’s because upa23 fixed real problems. Over a career, much better to have a good contract than one which leads to new hire captains
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Old 10-10-2025 | 02:54 AM
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if it makes you feel better, it’s because upa23 fixed real problems. Over a career, much better to have a good contract than one which leads to new hire captains
. I’m glad we have a better contract it’s just a bunch of us Higher Timer NK Cas were really close to it. Would have been incredibly fortunate. That’s all. Timing was almost perfect. That’s life though! (I know we’re still in a great position, just thinking out loud)


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