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Old 12-02-2025 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
There could be Guppy captains awarded as backfills. SFO, LAX, EWR, LAS, DCA and GUM all have MIN at current staffing, so every guppy captain that bids Airbus will get backfilled in those bases. But without WB on this bid there isn't going to be as many backfills like the last one. 96 Captain bids in one month is not anything to turn one's nose up for. There are other airlines that haven't had 96 Captain bids in the last year, and many are displacing Captains.
Possibly fewer backfills than you might expect with WBFO MIN levels lower across the fleet:
Allowing up to 47 & 41 FOs to bid away from their 777 and 787 seats, respectively, without backfills.

Certainly hope the 787 seat certification issue is short-lived!
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Old 12-02-2025 | 11:05 AM
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Possibly fewer backfills than you might expect with WBFO MIN levels lower across the fleet:
Allowing up to 47 & 41 FOs to bid away from their 777 and 787 seats, respectively, without backfills.

Certainly hope the 787 seat certification issue is short-lived!
MIN is a tool to control training and limit transfers out of critical bases. Same with WB FO. We aren't "overstaffed" on it because the min is less. They want to control awards via bids and not via backfills.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
MIN is a tool to control training and limit transfers out of critical bases. Same with WB FO. We aren't "overstaffed" on it because the min is less. They want to control awards via bids and not via backfills.
1) MIN limits transfers into bases/seats, not out of them. Functionally I understand what you are saying by lowering the MIN in more desirable NB bases. But literally speaking, a pilot can bid into any vacancy their seniority allows unless otherwise locked/frozen...
2) I never said we were overstaffed, only implied that there may not be an IMMEDIATE need for such WB FOs (if there were, the MIN would equal the MAX)
3) Just being realistic about the bid; you pointed out the MIN was kept to the MAX across most 737 CA... I was simply pointing out the MIN was lower across some widebody FO seats with no vacancies there this time.

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Old 12-02-2025 | 07:07 PM
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No one is gonna crack a joke about 69 vacancies in DEN or am I the only immature one here?
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Old 12-02-2025 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
No one is gonna crack a joke about 69 vacancies in DEN or am I the only immature one here?
The number needed to be a little lower to be relevant these days.
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Old 12-03-2025 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dingdong
The number needed to be a little lower to be relevant these days.
MIN 6 MAX 7
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Old 12-03-2025 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
No one is gonna crack a joke about 69 vacancies in DEN or am I the only immature one here?
67 is the new 69 old man
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Old 12-03-2025 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Weird that we would have a bid since the derps told us last bid was the last one until Fall 2026 and that we were "fully staffed" for summer 2026, but here we are still having vacancy bids.
The CRU explicitly stated there would be an airbus bid in December so I doubt many derps are caught eating crow. The question is what the vacancies look like going forward after this one. We all want big beautiful bids
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Old 12-03-2025 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb
The CRU explicitly stated there would be an airbus bid in December so I doubt many derps are caught eating crow. The question is what the vacancies look like going forward after this one. We all want big beautiful bids
^^^^ this.

So many people love reading the tea leaves or have some weird conspiracy theories about how the company wants to screw the pilot group.
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Old 12-03-2025 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb
The CRU explicitly stated there would be an airbus bid in December so I doubt many derps are caught eating crow. The question is what the vacancies look like going forward after this one. We all want big beautiful bids
Yes and they said WB bids in Jan/Feb and more 737 CA in March. But as you can see from my responses one of the derps said they said November bid was "full staffing for 2025" and there would be no more bids until next fall. To which I pointed out the December airbus bids and the CRUs going all the way back to August explaining what the next 6 months of bids would look like.
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