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Old 02-14-2026 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
I don't think I've seen a bid this diverse in the past few years. Good times right now, lots of options. Hopefully the music continues.
Someone should start a Polymarket on if we will break 20,000 pilots before the end of 2026. I'd put some money on that. I remember when management said when Kirby took over that we would get to 20,000 pilots by 2025 and all the guffaws about how that would not happen. Now all of a sudden we are here and if we do indeed get those 600 more deliveries that 28,000 pilot number is not out of reach, but maybe not by 2030.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
This bid is 905 CA and FO positions. Between the November and December bids and this one its over 2,000 bid positions total. Many of those FO bids will be recycled for new hires. We would have to stop having vacancies completely it not have to hire 2,000+ pilots this year.
Im pretty sure this bid overwrites the last. Meaning it is the target pilot complement on the effective date with everything said and done. Anything that showed up (again) in this bid wasn’t filled last time (or by new hires since) and the company still intends to. It’s a finalization of the summer plan. Yes we need 905 more pilots going into July.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Someone should start a Polymarket on if we will break 20,000 pilots before the end of 2026. I'd put some money on that. I remember when management said when Kirby took over that we would get to 20,000 pilots by 2025 and all the guffaws about how that would not happen. Now all of a sudden we are here and if we do indeed get those 600 more deliveries that 28,000 pilot number is not out of reach, but maybe not by 2030.
do you know how many times we were told 20000 since the merger?? Many way before kirby.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 08:14 AM
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So with this recent Vacancy Bid, what "appears" to be the hiring goal as of now for 2026? closer to 1,000? or closer to 2,000?
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Old 02-15-2026 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
do you know how many times we were told 20000 since the merger?? Many way before kirby.
You guys get your thongs in a bunch over every little thing. All of this is way above our pay grade. Let the people in the c suites figure all of the manpower/ staff/ vacancy/ fleet planning crap out. They know alot more about it than any of us . Fly safely from point A to B , if a vacancy opens up you like , jump on it , if not keep doing what you’re doing and enjoy life .Things could be a helluva lot worse . These are good problems to have.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
So with this recent Vacancy Bid, what "appears" to be the hiring goal as of now for 2026? closer to 1,000? or closer to 2,000?
We are hiring and not furloughing…….its all gravy to me.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
So with this recent Vacancy Bid, what "appears" to be the hiring goal as of now for 2026? closer to 1,000? or closer to 2,000?
FWIW I would say that no one can truly predict the number, not even the company. Last year the cut down the hiring target a lot and then went wild with it the last 3 months of the year. This year will have its ups and downs, but overall I would say they just adjust based off whats happening at Boeing and Airbus. I suspect it will be between 1,000 and 2,000 though for sure. Higher if the deliveries hit on time lower if they don't. So right now to answer your question directly, closer to 2. But really, no one can know that.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 08:55 AM
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I talked to Rob Strickland a couple of days ago and the answer was 1500 +/- 1000. It's clearly fluid. Other LCPs I've talked to in the last week said 1700. The common denominator that they all communicated that it was all predicated on airplane deliveries. It seems to me that right now the deliveries are proceeding as scheduled, which bodes well.

Bearing in mind that, at least for the time being, the new 787 deliveries are essentially offsetting all of our 777s that are parked.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
So with this recent Vacancy Bid, what "appears" to be the hiring goal as of now for 2026? closer to 1,000? or closer to 2,000?
There is no way to tell. The company could put a vacancy bid out to get 10,000 open spots for new hires and then cancel all classes and not hire anyone if that’s what the company wants or needs.

If you want to project approximate hiring numbers look at aircraft delivered - aircraft retired, multiplied by pilots per aircraft, + retirements. Even then we can retire aircraft to shrink to an appropriate size depending on how the economy goes.
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Old 02-15-2026 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8

Bearing in mind that, at least for the time being, the new 787 deliveries are essentially offsetting all of our 777s that are parked.
Which sucks. I’m rooting for at least one big WBCA bid before summer is out. I need at least one person junior to me………
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