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D0zingfordollar 04-07-2026 09:41 AM

Here’s a few,

Pick up open time on reserve off days
Reroute pay
Per diem during short call
Shorter short call period, no reversion to 12 hours, match DL
Per diem increase with inflation
No Polaris charge for Pilots and pass riders. Match DL
No usage of 4B in 757 augmented, no exception Increased minimum special RSV lines, never seen a vsc line offered
Sick improvement. Immediatly get rid of 95hr rule
Picked up short calls count towards SC cap not just assigned
Reserve assignments strict order off fifo not company discretion SC headroom
VDO company concurrence for DOP instead of day restore changed to pilot choice
Medical completely covered
Unused short call as add pay, not MPG
Can’t block days for rdo swap
ANF / WOCL override
Short call unused means unused within the period, not 18hrs within
DL has all 4 man crews as 2 CA 2 FO. We have 3 FO on majority. Massive value loss for us
VSC lines have never been offered. What is the point

Swakid8 04-07-2026 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mando314 (Post 4020703)
Getting an untriggered reassignment is rare. Realistically it's only the first leg of a trip changing.

And a minipack would never be untriggered. It's literally your flying. And if you weren't minipacked then you would've lost flying and that's the trigger to be reassigned via 20-F-1.

I agree that 20-I-5 is inadequate though. 1 hour of add pay for only the first time it's used isn't enough.

I know a minipack isn’t a untriggered. I haven’t been mi pack personally yet….

I had a different instance where I truly believed that I should have gotten it. This was before a pairing started also…

Swakid8 04-07-2026 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4020699)
It’s not a P2P trade. A trade is two or more trips. This is one trip being dropped and another pilot picking it up. There is no way to do that other than by waiting for the trade run to occur or by calling scheduling with both parties on the line.

We were discussing that you can do a P2P trade before the trading opens for the month… Which can do and I have personally done multiple times.

Pick up and drops happen during trade runs, but I wasn’t talking doing that….

Mando314 04-07-2026 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4020706)
I know a minipack isn’t a untriggered. I haven’t been mi pack personally yet….

I had a different instance where I truly believed that I should have gotten it. This was before a pairing started also…

Interesting. Wonder why it wasn't untriggered then. Wasn't your originating leg?

OFFCOURSE 04-07-2026 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar (Post 4020705)
Here’s a few,

Pick up open time on reserve off days
Reroute pay
Per diem during short call
Shorter short call period, no reversion to 12 hours, match DL
Per diem increase with inflation
No Polaris charge for Pilots and pass riders. Match DL
No usage of 4B in 757 augmented, no exception Increased minimum special RSV lines, never seen a vsc line offered
Sick improvement. Immediatly get rid of 95hr rule
Picked up short calls count towards SC cap not just assigned
Reserve assignments strict order off fifo not company discretion SC headroom
VDO company concurrence for DOP instead of day restore changed to pilot choice
Medical completely covered
Unused short call as add pay, not MPG
Can’t block days for rdo swap
ANF / WOCL override
Short call unused means unused within the period, not 18hrs within
DL has all 4 man crews as 2 CA 2 FO. We have 3 FO on majority. Massive value loss for us
VSC lines have never been offered. What is the point


Add pay for ac swaps
even if it’s just :15 min

rekatron 04-07-2026 11:08 AM

Honestly all I care about is more pay. They can even do whatever fuzzy math to trick the DAL snap-up, as long as whatever I make per hour effectively goes up.

QoL improvements are irrelevant to me. Just one man's opinion.

tengssuuciurta 04-07-2026 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by rekatron (Post 4020727)
Honestly all I care about is more pay. They can even do whatever fuzzy math to trick the DAL snap-up, as long as whatever I make per hour effectively goes up.

QoL improvements are irrelevant to me. Just one man's opinion.

That’s a very rare opinion.

ThumbsUp 04-07-2026 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4020708)
We were discussing that you can do a P2P trade before the trading opens for the month… Which can do and I have personally done multiple times.

Pick up and drops happen during trade runs, but I wasn’t talking doing that….

That’s not what he was replying to. Hence the words “that’s not true.” A P2P trade isn’t a drop/pickup.

worstpilotever 04-07-2026 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by rekatron (Post 4020727)
Honestly all I care about is more pay. They can even do whatever fuzzy math to trick the DAL snap-up, as long as whatever I make per hour effectively goes up.

QoL improvements are irrelevant to me. Just one man's opinion.

Thankfully it's one mans opinion.

CX500T 04-07-2026 12:02 PM

Just to give some information from the DAL side, the reason they are pushing to see if company will bite at quick/shorter term deal for us is because our trip coverage is horribly broken, and even with paying 300-400% for a lot of trips between 23M7 and GS/QS pay, we are cancelling hundreds of flights a day for lack of crews. Combo meal of running reserves ragged, using a scheduling software that went live June 1st 1988 (NOT KIDDING), and not even hiring enough to cover attrition in the last 18 months. Then they unilaterally changed how they use payback days (one of the best parts of our RES premium pay) and a lot of people who used to pick up Green Slips or Quick Slips, while on RES, just aren't doing it. I didn't even put in any slips for premium this month. I'm not alone in this.

Look at DAL vs UA and AA cancels. Even on good weather days.



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