Could United merge with part of Jet Blue
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I don’t see the benefit for a small Narrowbody what’s so ever today… With the increases of crew costs over the last 10 years, they see the value of spreading those increased costs over more seats in quite a bit of the domestic market.
The other segment of the market (premium), larger aircraft provides more floor space to offer more premium seats (domestic lie-flats, Higher number of FC seats, Premium Econ, more Econ+ seats, etc).
The primary reason why Delta took on the A220 to begin with is because Bombardier offered them at a steep discount to become a US launch customer. Just like how Delta acquired the 717s from Southwest after the Southwest/AirTran merger, very very cheap….
United isn’t going to get that kind of deal for the A220 from Airbus
The other segment of the market (premium), larger aircraft provides more floor space to offer more premium seats (domestic lie-flats, Higher number of FC seats, Premium Econ, more Econ+ seats, etc).
The primary reason why Delta took on the A220 to begin with is because Bombardier offered them at a steep discount to become a US launch customer. Just like how Delta acquired the 717s from Southwest after the Southwest/AirTran merger, very very cheap….
United isn’t going to get that kind of deal for the A220 from Airbus
Up-gauging does not work out of smaller markets if you can't sell more than 130 (A223) or 150 (A225) seats profitably.
The opportunity cost of more domestic First class on these planes is also very low at one seat per row. And some markets just don't call for premium lie-flat seating.
Even if United doesn't get Delta's kind of A220 deal from Airbus, they might from JetBlue as part of a divided sale. It would also stop Delta from getting more of a very comfortable and competitive aircraft at a cheap price. Further, United's legacy birds cannot financially compete with the A220, they're just not in the same league for operating costs.
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly;[url=tel:4023148
4023148]The 319s, 737-700 and 320s at United are not getting any younger. The A220-300 and the (most likely forthcoming) A220-500 replaces everything up to a 737-800, but at a much lower operating cost.
Up-gauging does not work out of smaller markets if you can't sell more than 130 (A223) or 150 (A225) seats profitably.
The opportunity cost of more domestic First class on these planes is also very low at one seat per row. And some markets just don't call for premium lie-flat seating.
Even if United doesn't get Delta's kind of A220 deal from Airbus, they might from JetBlue as part of a divided sale. It would also stop Delta from getting more of a very comfortable and competitive aircraft at a cheap price. Further, United's legacy birds cannot financially compete with the A220, they're just not in the same league for operating costs.
Up-gauging does not work out of smaller markets if you can't sell more than 130 (A223) or 150 (A225) seats profitably.
The opportunity cost of more domestic First class on these planes is also very low at one seat per row. And some markets just don't call for premium lie-flat seating.
Even if United doesn't get Delta's kind of A220 deal from Airbus, they might from JetBlue as part of a divided sale. It would also stop Delta from getting more of a very comfortable and competitive aircraft at a cheap price. Further, United's legacy birds cannot financially compete with the A220, they're just not in the same league for operating costs.
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The 319s, 737-700 and 320s at United are not getting any younger. The A220-300 and the (most likely forthcoming) A220-500 replaces everything up to a 737-800, but at a much lower operating cost.
Up-gauging does not work out of smaller markets if you can't sell more than 130 (A223) or 150 (A225) seats profitably.
The opportunity cost of more domestic First class on these planes is also very low at one seat per row. And some markets just don't call for premium lie-flat seating.
Even if United doesn't get Delta's kind of A220 deal from Airbus, they might from JetBlue as part of a divided sale. It would also stop Delta from getting more of a very comfortable and competitive aircraft at a cheap price. Further, United's legacy birds cannot financially compete with the A220, they're just not in the same league for operating costs.
Up-gauging does not work out of smaller markets if you can't sell more than 130 (A223) or 150 (A225) seats profitably.
The opportunity cost of more domestic First class on these planes is also very low at one seat per row. And some markets just don't call for premium lie-flat seating.
Even if United doesn't get Delta's kind of A220 deal from Airbus, they might from JetBlue as part of a divided sale. It would also stop Delta from getting more of a very comfortable and competitive aircraft at a cheap price. Further, United's legacy birds cannot financially compete with the A220, they're just not in the same league for operating costs.
its not like there’s a significant savings costs wise operating a smaller Narrowbody like a A220-300, A319/320, 737-7/8 vs a Max-9, A321. Also you are limiting and capping revenue potential across the network introducing a small narrowbody unless there’s a intention of using them to replace RJ flying….
They want more seats to spread those higher costs around and have the opportunity to grab higher revenue across the network vs matching capacity to select few markets…
There’s a reason why A321, Max-9, Max-10 have sold and are selling like hot cakes and A220-100/300, A319, A320, 737-7,-8 sales have stalled out….
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But short-body 73X and 32x don't sell because longer versions on the same wing are lower cost
If you fundamentally decide you need a 100-150 seat airplane ... something designed for that makes sense. If you're looking at a 150-200 seat airplane, all 200's make sense.
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I think that’s the issue. They have decided that they really don’t want anything for the 100-150 seat market.
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Clearly that was true in the past. But it's an accounting decision which could change based on external circumstances or internal priorities. The 450 and 550 are good examples of how United is chasing revenue and flexibility now in ways they have not in the past.
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They've only talked about "upgauging". The CASM cost on those planes have to be pretty high.
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Straight from the founder of B6: UA is not interested
https://viewfromthewing.com/jetblue-...y-will-buy-it/
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