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Hotel Kilo 05-05-2026 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Neosporin (Post 4031890)
No, the PAPI part, the PAPI or GS guarantee 50’ above threshold, the only way you know the TCH is on the chart for that approach. Many approaches are above 50’, 54’ etc.

Not when they are not coincident. Do an autoland sometime in VMC. note the papi when on GS. It will not be 2 red 2 white when they are not coincident especially as you pass about 500 AGL.

elps 05-05-2026 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 4032060)
And yet, there are obviously obstructions on this approach/runway that prevent vertical guidance down to 200-250' HAT. So enough to remove the obstructions.

The lack of an ILS or GLS to 29 is due to airspace conflicts on the extended centerline. No amount of threshold displacement can fix that. Look at the published missed procedure for approaches to 11 for how much airspace EWR has to work with on that side.

A-V-8 05-05-2026 07:09 PM

Who was flying?
 
Has anyone seen who was flying, CA or FO?

Wiki says the CA had 15k and FO had 8k. That is a pretty healthy amount of flight time in that cockpit.

JamesNoBrakes 05-05-2026 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by elps (Post 4032367)
The lack of an ILS or GLS to 29 is due to airspace conflicts on the extended centerline. No amount of threshold displacement can fix that. Look at the published missed procedure for approaches to 11 for how much airspace EWR has to work with on that side.

RNP AR, but if it's not practical to get mins that low, it's not practical. It still seems like the turnpike is danger-close to the runway with very little lee-way, which could be addressed with more displacement. This thread has been a lot of "make it work", which works until it doesn't...

FlyPanAm 05-05-2026 07:45 PM

The approach to 29 is rather tight over the turnpike for a widebody. Here is an Air Canada jet landing on 29. They’re not far from having the same issue as flight 169.

ThumbsUp 05-05-2026 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 4032385)
RNP AR, but if it's not practical to get mins that low, it's not practical. It still seems like the turnpike is danger-close to the runway with very little lee-way, which could be addressed with more displacement. This thread has been a lot of "make it work", which works until it doesn't...

As long as you fly the approach as designed, there isn’t a problem. Being too low is a problem on this or any other approach.


There’s a good video on twitter of the aircraft crossing the turnpike. It’s extremely low.

worstpilotever 05-05-2026 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by JoeBlo (Post 4032000)
Well when the airline advertises and makes their mission "hiring 50% women and 50% people based on a certain skin color" Its a legit question to ask.....

Is the gender and appearance more important than other metrics? Experience ? PIC time? How do we know without asking? What about in training events? Does the skin color and gender get judged differently? (I already know the answer)

someone hasn't seen the new hire class pictures.

cactusmike 05-05-2026 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4031373)
True. How many people actually read the chart notes where it says glidepath and VGSI not coincident, PAPI crosses 70 kft above threshold.

I brief it. It’s important for some places like Vegas. Some people try to keep 2 white and 2 red and cross the threshold high. Stay on the ILS GS itself, and you’re fine. We say 3 red 1 white as medium rare, but for every approach with that not coincident note, you’re actually coming in 50 ft above the threshold.

Look on the approach plate. It says 34:1 not clear. That means there are obstacles in the approach zone below the MDA. ILS approaches can have 34:1 also. (Il lost a bet to our senior instructor over that).

Chimpy 05-06-2026 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 4031288)
That whole RNAV W to 29 is a goat rope. Was a matter of time. Short runway, no electronic glide slope and the NJ turnpike literally 100 feet from the threshold. What could possibly go wrong?!?

I mean................... Not throwing blame here I don't know what happened but when did a Visual Approach on an almost 7,000ft runway become a "Goat rope".

SoFloFlyer 05-06-2026 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4032390)
The approach to 29 is rather tight over the turnpike for a widebody. Here is an Air Canada jet landing on 29. They’re not far from having the same issue as flight 169.

Just goes to show you how tight that approach actually is. It’s bad enough on a NB, I can only imagine a WB. It was bounce to happen


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