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Grease 05-05-2026 09:10 AM

I am reading a lot of great inputs to the discussion about glidepaths, PAPIs, RNAV approaches, etc. I would like to pull back for a second. If they hit a truck on the highway, they almost touched down on the highway. That means they likely heard “50, 40, 30” and maybe even “20” before that contact. If I hear “50” and I’m not over the threshold, I hope I would respond with a little power bump and maybe raise the nose a hair so I don’t touch down too early. Monday morning quarterbacking I do acknowledge.

greatmovieistar 05-05-2026 09:29 AM

After landing did they send everyone down the slides because they heard a beeping sound too?

John Carr 05-05-2026 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 4031932)
Adherence to the PAPI is crucial.

Say it again, then say it AGAIN


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 4031952)
This is just basic pilot stuff and not that difficult.

According to a previous poster, that's not our job.......

Strawpile 05-05-2026 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by elps (Post 4031384)
The fix to get a straight-in approach to 29 at EWR is to close LGA. Not happening. If you let the autopilot fly the RNP approach it will take you to 500 feet, runway heading, on the glidepath, that should be good enough.

The suggestion to simply let the autopilot fly the approach to 500' is facile and impractical. Maybe in a simulator this is a viable technique, but, in the real world you can't rely on this as a solution because there are plenty of times ATC will impose other constraints on the pilots. For example, ATC has to sequence you between traffic using the 22s.
  • They may want you to slow to final approach speed ASAP: the quickest way to do this is to level off and fully configure.
  • They may want you to square your base to final turn (or even over-shoot final slightly, then correct back) to provide the necessary traffic separation.
As long as I have been in the industry, there has always been a paradigm mismatch between the schoolhouse and air traffic control.

Larry in TN 05-05-2026 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 4031525)
How does 29 not have a displaced threshold???

It does, as others have pointed out. Since it does, that means that there are obstacles that required it to be displayed. Like likely means that the clear area is right up to the limits for the location of the displaced threashold.


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 4031660)
Also recall that a gps based glide path is not baro compensated for us (not sure if any fleets have WAAS), so that could put you slightly high or low depending on conditions.

The altimeter setting corrects for non-standard temperature and pressure up to field elevation. At TCH of 60', you'd only have 60' of non-standard conditions to correct for which would be a very small amount.


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4031747)
No it’s not. It’s been around for a decade has an RNAV line selectable approach, and was a pure visual procedure for decades before that, you just have to do pilot stuff. Nothing should be cosmic about a visual approach.

The RNAV (GPS) W Rwy 29 is new. The old Stadium Visual Rwy 29, and the RNAV (RNP) Y Rwy 29, both swing out farther to the east giving an additional 1.0nm of straight-in final. The RNAV W cut that down to 1.4nm from 2.4nm. No idea why they did that. Should be a capacity issue as you can still put just as many airplanes on the Y or Stadium ground tracks.


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4031762)
What other approaches to runway have a perpendicular interstate with a high volume of traffic with 18 wheelers, light posts and highway direction signs less than 300 feet from the threshold?

Runway 4 at LGA. It has a little more margin but there's a hotel that impedes on the ILS clear area which results in coupled approaches being prohibited.

Holeefuk 05-05-2026 11:02 AM

The ATC altitude seemed to really race from 500’ 100’. But that was YouTube.

For reference from Grok:

NJ Turnpike standards call for ~40-foot (12 m) mounting height poles on mainline sections (with 26-foot ones on ramps). These are typical for major highways to provide broad illumination. 

METO Guido 05-05-2026 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Grease (Post 4032162)
I am reading a lot of great inputs to the discussion about glidepaths, PAPIs, RNAV approaches, etc. I would like to pull back for a second. If they hit a truck on the highway, they almost touched down on the highway. That means they likely heard “50, 40, 30” and maybe even “20” before that contact. If I hear “50” and I’m not over the threshold, I hope I would respond with a little power bump and maybe raise the nose a hair so I don’t touch down too early. Monday morning quarterbacking I do acknowledge.

Aircraft accident. Unstable approach, failure to execute GA. Like an errant approach shot bouncing off rocks & finding the short grass, verrry lucky day at le garbage.


ceelo 05-05-2026 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by JoeBlo (Post 4032000)
Well when the airline advertises and makes their mission "hiring 50% women and 50% people based on a certain skin color" Its a legit question to ask.....

Is the gender and appearance more important than other metrics? Experience ? PIC time? How do we know without asking? What about in training events? Does the skin color and gender get judged differently? (I already know the answer)

you guys love bringing up DEI every time something like this happens. and every time the crew ends up being old white men suddenly you're quiet. just ****, disrespectfully.

joepilot50 05-05-2026 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by ceelo (Post 4032280)
you guys love bringing up DEI every time something like this happens. and every time the crew ends up being old white men suddenly you're quiet. just ****, disrespectfully.

DEI if that is their agenda or Age 67 if they are a raise the age type.

What's sad is they don't wait even a second after the event to start pushing it..... See DCA mid-air( particularly when talking about the PSA crew).

WXS15 05-05-2026 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by HwkrPlt (Post 4032141)
As others have said, that is a goal for Aviate, not hiring at United.

If he actually did set that goal, then he would have fired who was in charge of hiring at United long ago, because they are failing miserably

I'm aware that the CEO was referring to just the aviate program. Someone else asked where the quote came from, I just posted it. I have no idea who these 767 pilots were and think it's more than poor form to speculate on the cause at this point. I think anyone pinning it to DEI right now is an idiot. I also understand that quote can be interpreted by reasonable people that United does at least some hiring based on attributes not related to being the best pilot.


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