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ScrappyCocoa 05-04-2026 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 4031859)
As he should be paid . He was nearly killed most likely by …..

Common, man. Say it. Show your true colors.

Neosporin 05-04-2026 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 4031641)
Do you have a HUD? If so just look at where the programmed glide path dashed line is. Normally set at 3 degrees. If your 3 degree line is aligned right with the PAPIs and the big white blocks, you're fine. You'll see 4 red, and if I recall a PAPI brings you in at 70' TCH whereas a GS will bring you in at 50' so if you fly 2red 2 white on PAPI you'll generally be high on the GS unless the GS and PAPI are coincident, which at most places is not the case.

HUDs are great tools especially in purely visual type approaches. Too bad most airlines don't invest in them, you know because they'd rather pay some former sportsball star $20million a year to do nothing....

No, the PAPI part, the PAPI or GS guarantee 50’ above threshold, the only way you know the TCH is on the chart for that approach. Many approaches are above 50’, 54’ etc.

loganeich 05-04-2026 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4031753)
And yet, apparently didn't use all the runway

Hitting a truck and a light pole 300 feet from the threshold significantly reduces the amount of runway needed.

JackReacher 05-04-2026 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 4031834)
That approach isn’t a goat rope in any way. It provides a very stable 3 degree glide path all the way to the runway. Same with the RNAV Z 19 in DCA. The only difference in those approaches is that they’re curved rather than straight in, and since they are RNP approaches the autopilot is supposed to be on while on the RF portion. Once the autopilot is turned off you still have that same stable 3 degree glide path all the way to the runway. We’re not supposed to be ducking under. We’re supposed to fly approaches just like an autoland would do and fly the GS all the way down to the flare. The RNAV 29 is safe and stable. Fly the approach on speed, continue the glide path to the runway, land where you’re supposed to, and brake appropriately.

The RNAV W 29 is NOT an RNP approach!! No curved segment like the Y. So, at least for the guppy fleet, AP has to be off by 50’ below MDA which is just by the AXELL fix and you fly it visually from there. Adherence to the PAPI is crucial.

BlueScholar 05-04-2026 06:38 PM

A great example of why we should have the same
landing data app Delta has. It can’t be more expensive than paying FedEx 8 figures to use the same PMR training.

Hedley 05-04-2026 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 4031932)
The RNAV W 29 is NOT an RNP approach!! No curved segment like the Y. So, at least for the guppy fleet, AP has to be off by 50’ below MDA which is just by the AXELL fix and you fly it visually from there. Adherence to the PAPI is crucial.

It’s still a RNAV approach with a stable 3 degree glide path all the way to the runway. So on this approach you simply turn the autopilot off over AXELL at 880’ and continue to follow the exact same vertical deviation scale pointer down to the flare just like you do on any other RNAV approach. Same thing with following the glide slope to the runway on a straight in ILS. This is just basic pilot stuff and not that difficult. I can see where crews, especially heavy crews that almost exclusively shoot straight in ILS’s to long runways could not be as proficient in RNAV approaches to shorter runways as NB crews, but that is a fault in our training and not the design of the approach.

CX500T 05-04-2026 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 4031943)
A great example of why we should have the same
landing data app Delta has. It can’t be more expensive than paying FedEx 8 figures to use the same PMR training.

Granted a 763-ER not a 764, but I've flown this exact approach (RNP) just done 2 white / 2 red, not a slam but no milk it in the flare, AB4, Flaps 25, and comfortably made W2. Could've made U.

How much more runway does the 764 take at similar landing fuel (probably 15k) and full pax?

I've made S in an empty 757 (NBA charter)

JamesNoBrakes 05-04-2026 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by drywhitetoast (Post 4031552)
There we go. That's the answer. Let's take a challenging short runway that we already fvk up landings and make it shorter. 👍

Yes, to filter out aircraft that should not be attempting it and allow for a precision glidepath w/o object penetration. I assume you already can't land the space shuttle or A-380s on that runway, so it's not like you should be able to land any aircraft on any runway at any time. If you look at other airports, you'll find a lot of crosswind runways are shorter, sometimes much shorter. Alaska lands 737s in Nome and Kotz, 5900 for runway 27 in Kotz. The runways have been shorter at times for construction and projects. Special crew qualifications and they aren't bringing Max-9s in there obviously.

It's unfortunate that they built the runway/tollway like this...but boohoo, either re-route the tollway or displace the threshold. If they displace the threshold, yeah, it might change what aircraft can land there. That's kinda the point. Only aircraft capable of meeting the performance requirements for the distance should be landing there.

Grease 05-04-2026 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Vito (Post 4031831)
One of the posts I read said that the aircraft was 200 ft high at one segment of the approach, (700 ft vs 500ft) perhaps a over correction, down low, and wasn’t able to stabilize it.

As far as the post by SCRAPPY COCOA,
I’m sure DEI had nothing to do with DCA, If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
just look at the facts,
low time pilot, in a VIP squadron, which normally hires very high time, experienced pilots, She worked as a White House ceremonial officer, and filled squares. In the military, people normally don’t fly in those type units unless they have a lot of experience and recommendations.

The problem with your argument is that people were trying to blame DEI before we even knew the race and gender of the pilots, just like they did with that runway incursion in DFW, just like the geniuses in this thread are doing right now. That’s why it’s racist and sexist.

elps 05-04-2026 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 4031962)
Yes, to filter out aircraft that should not be attempting it and allow for a precision glidepath w/o object penetration. I assume you already can't land the space shuttle or A-380s on that runway, so it's not like you should be able to land any aircraft on any runway at any time. If you look at other airports, you'll find a lot of crosswind runways are shorter, sometimes much shorter. Alaska lands 737s in Nome and Kotz, 5900 for runway 27 in Kotz. The runways have been shorter at times for construction and projects. Special crew qualifications and they aren't bringing Max-9s in there obviously.

It's unfortunate that they built the runway/tollway like this...but boohoo, either re-route the tollway or displace the threshold. If they displace the threshold, yeah, it might change what aircraft can land there. That's kinda the point. Only aircraft capable of meeting the performance requirements for the distance should be landing there.

The threshold is already displaced 224 feet. How much more do you want to displace it? 1,000 feet on 3º glidepath gets you 52 feet in height. This aircraft was more than 52 feet too low. If anything more displacement could lead to more complacency about being below the glidepath since you know there's runway there if you land short.


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