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overqualified52 05-04-2026 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 4031303)
Or just a bad pilot dipping below GS

There’s always one in the crowd 😂😬. How do you know it wasn’t a white guy ? Like most of the worst accidents in commercial airline history from the 1970’s to mid 2000’s were at the hands of white male pilots 🤷‍♂️. C’mon bro know your history .

Smooth at FL450 05-04-2026 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by drywhitetoast (Post 4031552)
There we go. That's the answer. Let's take a challenging short runway that we already fvk up landings and make it shorter. 👍

right. Sending traffic elsewhere. If the FAA won’t allow visuals into SFO anymore I’m sure landing on 29 is on the chopping block.

Milk Man 05-04-2026 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 4031568)
There’s always one in the crowd 😂😬. How do you know it wasn’t a white guy ? Like most of the worst accidents in commercial airline history from the 1970’s to mid 2000’s were at the hands of white male pilots 🤷‍♂️. C’mon bro know your history .

wow, is your reading comprehension that low? I didnt wven say anything about DEI. I blamed it on just being bad pilot. Goodness, but some people such as yourself are just born dumb.

CousinEddie 05-04-2026 07:36 AM

How many would sign up for a gig that guaranteed nothing but straight ins to 12,000 foot runways for half of what they earn now?

drywhitetoast 05-04-2026 07:55 AM

Crazy

https://i.ibb.co/S7V3hWy9/1777909009453.jpg

11atsomto 05-04-2026 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 4031586)
How many would sign up for a gig that guaranteed nothing but straight ins to 12,000 foot runways for half of what they earn now?

We are not paid highly because of our stick and rudder skills……if that were the case bush pilots would be the big buck earners.

We are paid to get passengers safely from point A to B, and making safe decisions by using strategies including but not limited too: Threat and Error management, not introducing more threats.

ThumbsUp 05-04-2026 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4031617)
We are not paid highly because of our stick and rudder skills……if that were the case bush pilots would be the big buck earners.

We are paid to get passengers safely from point A to B, and making safe decisions by using strategies including but not limited too: Threat and Error management, not introducing more threats.

In this case, though, I don’t think any more threats were added. Getting low on a TERPS’d approach and hitting a fixed obstacle is a threat that could happen on any approach. Weather that was a shear event or just random pilot error, only time will tell.

Chuck D 05-04-2026 08:24 AM

bad take IMO. Stick and rudder is the assumed high level baseline. If that’s deteriorating it’s time for some work in that area for the individual. It drifts to and from the forefront of the conversation throughout our industry but it’s the fundamental thing that matters so it’s easy for us to look past it sometimes. The CRM/TEM adds heaps of safety and is more nuanced so we spend a lot of effort there. I’m not speaking to this specific incident but we’ve got to be able to spin a few plates at the same time and stick and rudder is one of them.


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4031617)
We are not paid highly because of our stick and rudder skills……if that were the case bush pilots would be the big buck earners.

We are paid to get passengers safely from point A to B, and making safe decisions by using strategies including but not limited too: Threat and Error management, not introducing more threats.


Hotel Kilo 05-04-2026 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by drywhitetoast (Post 4031601)

Another 10ft lower and this would have been catastrophic. Lucky day for all involved.

Hope we learn more about this. I'm sure we could all gain some knowledge from it and give us some things to think about.

Fly safe out there folks.

Hotel Kilo 05-04-2026 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4031341)
Our SOP still allows Medium Rare for short fields, I'm good with it.

I don't like 4 red because you don't know if you're at 4 red or 7 red.

Do you have a HUD? If so just look at where the programmed glide path dashed line is. Normally set at 3 degrees. If your 3 degree line is aligned right with the PAPIs and the big white blocks, you're fine. You'll see 4 red, and if I recall a PAPI brings you in at 70' TCH whereas a GS will bring you in at 50' so if you fly 2red 2 white on PAPI you'll generally be high on the GS unless the GS and PAPI are coincident, which at most places is not the case.

HUDs are great tools especially in purely visual type approaches. Too bad most airlines don't invest in them, you know because they'd rather pay some former sportsball star $20million a year to do nothing....


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