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Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4031753)

But......but......... stick and rudder skills aren't important....

And yet, apparently didn't use all the runway

Ha! Could it be because they touched down in the breakdown lane of I95…. lol

for those who missed it ☝️that there is sarcasm….

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4031623)

a fixed obstacle is a threat that could happen on any approach.

What other approaches to runway have a perpendicular interstate with a high volume of traffic with 18 wheelers, light posts and highway direction signs less than 300 feet from the threshold?

Again most highway signs I believe are 17 ft above ground, 18 wheelers are 13…..and the known technique is to be three red. Sure there is margin…….but I am having a hard time recalling any other place like that

let me pose a different question…….do you think something like Kai Tak with all of its environs and approaches would be allowed to be constructed today?
Sure all the “Pilots” did it no sweat (and all of you who did deserve to be in the Hall of Fame)…..…….does that mean it wise?

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Originally Posted by CaptainJay (Post 4031759)

Ha! Could it be because they touched down in the breakdown lane of I95…. lol

for those who missed it ☝️that there is sarcasm….

Good point, EXCELLENT short field technique

Was it "Captain Zulu"? Asking for a friend.

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Originally Posted by Bestglide (Post 4031662)

There could have been the possibility that they were using flaps 30 and if it was really thet windy yesterday the flaps may have blown back to 25 causing a sinker?
That in conjunction with some shear on the RNAV 29 approach doesnt leave you much room for error.

33015G31 at time of landing.

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Originally Posted by Grease (Post 4031465)

It seems like the racists and sexists come scurrying out of their holes after every accident these days. Pretty pathetic, IMO.

They’ve been emboldened by what our nation’s leadership says and does. Wasn’t one of the first thing out of 47’s mouth something about DEI at DCA after the PSA crash?

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Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4031490)

I’d guess it depends.

Granted, LGA Is a few hundred feet longer, L-1011’s and 76-4’s went in there daily without hitting light poles.

If you're hitting the light poles on the Grand Central then you're not surviving.

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Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith (Post 4031773)

If you're hitting the light poles on the Grand Central then you're not surviving.

Indeed. Imagine if in this case, they were slightly lower?

Completely uneventful on the radio. Normalization of deviance for going below the PAPI?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOmzUYsY3Q

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Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 4031734)

What's the flaps blow up speed? 170 kts? Vref max's out around 145 kts? Will a sinker develop from the trailing edge flaps retracting from flaps 30 to flaps 20, while at a minimum speed of Vref+25? Sinker would be more than negated but the increased lift from the gust causing the IAS increase. There's a 3 kt change in stall speed from flaps 15 to flaps 20 (not necessarily 15 or 20 degrees...the actual flap deflections do not match the degrees indicated). There's another 3 kts from flaps 25 to flaps 30. However from flaps 20 to flaps 25 there's a 17 kts stall speed change. A LARGE part of that is due to the change from mid/T.O. leading edge position to the full leading edge droop. With the 'blown flap' retraction only the trailing edge flaps retract. So there might be roughly a total of 6 kts (?) in stall speed reduction with the blow up function? That wouldn't get triggered unless you hit Vref+25 kts? Being that low wasn't caused by the flap blow up function.

I fly the the thing and had it happen and you definitely do get a good sinker. thats why its prudent to use flaps 25 in really gusty conditions.but who knows what the runway landing data spat out?
im not saying this happened or not but it's definitely in the realm of possibility

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Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4031762)

… and the known technique is to be three red. Sure there is margin…….

Hit the nail … that “technique” is nowhere in the FM; may work fine when you have a displaced threshold, which the turnpike is not.