Furlough Recall Question
07-30-2010, 06:13 PM
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Furlough Recall Question
I was hired and furloughed in 2008 so I apologize if this question is elementary. Assuming the hiring rumors for CAL are true (which infers a furlough recall), is the recall operated under the CAL contract or the TA that was just agreed to. In other words, there seems to be some furlough language in the TA . . . but I can't tell if iCaL still has to execute the recall in accordance with the Contract, the TA, or a combination of both.
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
07-30-2010, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hokiefan
I was hired and furloughed in 2008 so I apologize if this question is elementary. Assuming the hiring rumors for CAL are true (which infers a furlough recall), is the recall operated under the CAL contract or the TA that was just agreed to. In other words, there seems to be some furlough language in the TA . . . but I can't tell if iCaL still has to execute the recall in accordance with the Contract, the TA, or a combination of both.
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
For example, CAL recalls and all furloughs are on property and needs to start "hiring." First offer then goes to a UAL furloughed pilot with the all the provisions of the TPA.
So I guess the answer is yes if you are a furloughed CAL pilot, you will be recalled IAW the CBA prior to an offer to a UA furloughed pilot that could fill a new hire requirement.
Better answer, call your former LEC for explanation and answers.
Frats,
Lee
07-30-2010, 06:21 PM
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My apologies -- it was with CAL. And I appreciate the words -- that is what I thought but was confused as to how deep the TA's fingers got into the manner in which CAL would recall its folks (or, more importantly, the structure behind how the furlough would occur, when I would need to respond, etc.)..
Thanks again --
Thanks again --
07-31-2010, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hokiefan
I was hired and furloughed in 2008 so I apologize if this question is elementary. Assuming the hiring rumors for CAL are true (which infers a furlough recall), is the recall operated under the CAL contract or the TA that was just agreed to. In other words, there seems to be some furlough language in the TA . . . but I can't tell if iCaL still has to execute the recall in accordance with the Contract, the TA, or a combination of both.
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
Again, apologize for the confusion but it will be important to me family . . .
It's important to my family too.
08-01-2010, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hokiefan
My apologies -- it was with CAL. And I appreciate the words -- that is what I thought but was confused as to how deep the TA's fingers got into the manner in which CAL would recall its folks
Section 7
Transition Job Security Protections
7-A. Furlough.
Transition Job Security Protections
7-A. Furlough.
Effective as of the Merger Agreement Date, no Continental or United Pilot (except Pilots hired after the Merger Closing Date, including those employed pursuant to Section 7-B below) will be placed on furlough, if at all, until the passage of one year after the Operational Merger Date. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prohibit or require the recall of any Pilot on furlough as of the Merger Agreement Date.
7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List (which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.
(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.
(iii) Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise seniority for all purposes at the employing Airline in the seniority order of their originating Airline but junior to all Pilots who were on the seniority list of the employing
Airline prior to the Merger Agreement Date. Upon implementation of the ISL Pilots will exercise seniority pursuant to their position on the ISL. All Pilots hired
by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement Date.
(iv) Notwithstanding Section 27, Part 2.A.2, B.2 or C.2 of the Continental CBA, all Pilots on either the United Pilots’ or Continental Pilots’ Seniority List as of the Effective Date of this Agreement employed by Continental shall be eligible for Medical, Dental and Vision Plan coverage on the Pilot’s first day of Active Service.
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