Cool post! Those are fantastic ideas. Why even bother with the MIL guys at all. Let them serve this country, and then forget the decade or two of intensive flight training and experience they wasted their time on. So what if they volunteer to defend our country, that is their problem. Make them start with the regionals and pay their dues. That way when we are being paid to be on reserve at the major airlines we would not be bothered by an assignment to an undesirable trip we don't want. Hey it is all about Seniority, we were here first.

Not sure about the Reach guy's octave. You could always stop by the O'Club on a Weekend night and ask how they hit those panicky high notes. Never know they might show you how.

SP

 

Did you just pull this out of your a$$ or do you actually know of military pilots who weren't able to make it through the grueling Pt 121 training in the allotted time because they "have to learn a new way of flying"?

 

It was a c-17. We passed overhead them at coast out.

 

I know many that have had a hard time adjusting to airline life. Some even use guard jobs to avoid their airline work. Doesn't seem they are happy flying trips versus missions.

 

Yep, because flying an airliner is so tough.

You're a clown bro.

 

Different isn't always difficult. It is an adjustment that takes time. With all the ML guys taking time off for "duty" it would behoove the airlines to reduce those cost in the future. Why hire a pilot that is not going to be available to work for you? There would be no added cost of USERRA if you don't employ these people. Again there is a large pool of pilots already qualed that can do the job with no strings attached. I think USERRA and the ML abusers are going to make things worse for you guys in the long run.

L

 

This thread has gotten WAY off topic and WAAAAAY too personal and immature.

 

I can easily answer this...

1. Not hiring someone because they are a reservist or guardsman is called discrimination. Its just like discriminating against someone based on color, sex, or religion...you obviously can't do that. Now if a person isn't qualified, that's a different story; however any mil pilot is MORE than qualified to fly a fatty at 0.74 mach for 4 hours straight and level. GMAFB.

2. When an airline hires a mil guy, they know exactly what they're getting...i.e. a pilot that came from the highest caliber training in the world.

 

Lambourne-

What exactly is the cost of an airline hiring a dude who is a reservist? Maybe we should just hire all of the regional dudes trained at Gulfstream?? That would be better? Maybe we should just overturn USERRA for ALL jobs, not just the airlines, or do you have some axe to grind here?

Reason most mil dudes mil drop so much the first year is because they are taking a major paycut to go to that airline job. They make more in the guard/reserve generally. You would do the same thing.

The interesting thing I've noticed over the years is that most straight civilian dudes who cry about somebody else using ML leave is/has either : 1) no self-esteem as a pilot or 2) is as selfish as a scab or 3) was a younger sibling and never learned that not everybody's ice cream cone is going to always look the same or 4) is a complete uninformed idiot.

Which one are you?

You really don't know what you are talking about-

Gup

 

Will someone please lock this thread. The whinning is starting to grate on me. Thanks