Understanding UAL Pilot Groups
#101
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Speak for yourself, I am a G tard and I could care less about the scabs. That happened when I was in first grade.... I am over it.
You must be an old ExpressJet pilot, they all seemed to hate the scabs. The funny part is that the scab haters in my class all were from regionals where they paid for training. That is a modern day scab in my book.
You PFTers were screwing the career back in the late 90s and now have the balls to complain about scabs that did the same thing overall.
#103
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I wouldn't be that rough on Jack London, but he was indeed a late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century advocate of the working man--which in that day meant you were a socialist, or more accurately, a member of the Socialist Labor Party.
I'm not criticizing that. Had I been a trade unionist in that epoch, I'd have been a socialist also. Most likely, a score of years later, I'd have been accused of being a communist.
My problem is with airline pilots who conveniently brand themselves as trade unionists when it comes time to negotiate their own contracts, but in every other facet of their lives, vote for political candidates and ally with political factions that don't have labor's interests at heart.
I'm not criticizing that. Had I been a trade unionist in that epoch, I'd have been a socialist also. Most likely, a score of years later, I'd have been accused of being a communist.
My problem is with airline pilots who conveniently brand themselves as trade unionists when it comes time to negotiate their own contracts, but in every other facet of their lives, vote for political candidates and ally with political factions that don't have labor's interests at heart.
#104
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You're going to need more than employee numbers or some newly developed list of scabs to determine who the trade unionists are (or aren't) at Continental. As some have said, a percentage of those who crossed the picket line early on have become staunch union activists, including some who helped bring a union back on the property at CAL and, until recently, a top-level pilot in the SPSC committee.
But, you're interested in finding enemies at the new UniCal, I'm sure you'll succeed. If you just want to identify those not to talk to or associate with on layovers, I'm sure you'll hurt nobody's feelings. There are a lot of pilots who have a quarter-century of proficiency at slam-clicking, regardless of their experience regarding picket lines. Ostracize them? C'mon! They probably won't notice.
The only thing funnier than a dead scab is a dead scab in a clown suit!!
#105
When does high school end for you? I'm guessing you graduate in two maybe three years?
#106
The first president of IACP was what you'd call a "scab," an Old Cal pilot who crossed the picket line. The second president was a full-term, battle-star-qualified striker. The third president was a former employee of that run-away shop that J. J. O'Donnell vowed would "never open a start valve," New York Air.
When ALPA returned to the property in 2000, it was another former NY Air IACP president that led the merger with the national union. Contrary to popular mythology, there was never an "amnesty" for CAL pilots who crossed the picket line. Case law based on the Railway Labor Act requires a successor union to accept all members in good standing of the predecessor union to be offered membership in the successor union. That would be the case should ALPA be replaced by another union on the United property.
Those are just the facts. If they upset you, so what? But they're posted for the benefit of those who are more interested in reality that continuing to fight a 30-year-old war.
#108
I'll add some info to your already accurate synopsis.
Employee #'s
Old Cal-............. ........00xxx
Texas Air....................00xxx
83-85 scabs.................0xxx(letter) (Note 1)
NY air.........................10xxx
People Express.............23xxx,24xxx,25xxx,27xxx (Note 2)
Frontier.......................0xxx (letter) (Note 3)
86,87,88 hires.............30000-40000
89-95 hires..................41000-55000
Express hires till 2004..80000-89000 (Note 4)
early 97 Eastern..........Axxxx (Note 5)
97-early 98.................Bxxxx
98-99.........................Cxxxx
99-01.........................Exxxx
04-06.........................Gxxxx
06-present..................Mxxxx-Nxxxx
Employee #'s
Old Cal-............. ........00xxx
Texas Air....................00xxx
83-85 scabs.................0xxx(letter) (Note 1)
NY air.........................10xxx
People Express.............23xxx,24xxx,25xxx,27xxx (Note 2)
Frontier.......................0xxx (letter) (Note 3)
86,87,88 hires.............30000-40000
89-95 hires..................41000-55000
Express hires till 2004..80000-89000 (Note 4)
early 97 Eastern..........Axxxx (Note 5)
97-early 98.................Bxxxx
98-99.........................Cxxxx
99-01.........................Exxxx
04-06.........................Gxxxx
06-present..................Mxxxx-Nxxxx
#109
Take part of this with a grain of salt. Captain John Prater, immediate past-president of ALPA, was the secretary-treasurer of the CAL MEC during the 1983-85 strike. Needless to say, he didn't cross the picket line. Nevertheless, his employee number ends with a letter. So do the employee numbers of certain Frontier pilots, who came onto the CAL seniority list well after the strike had been settled. Old Cal plots who crossed the picket line don't have letters in their employee numbers. I've been told, but can't say for sure, that even some old strikers who got fired during the festivities, and then got their jobs back during the grievance process, were then assigned employee numbers with a letter on the end.
#110
Take part of this with a grain of salt. Captain John Prater, immediate past-president of ALPA, was the secretary-treasurer of the CAL MEC during the 1983-85 strike. Needless to say, he didn't cross the picket line. Nevertheless, his employee number ends with a letter. So do the employee numbers of certain Frontier pilots, who came onto the CAL seniority list well after the strike had been settled. Old Cal plots who crossed the picket line don't have letters in their employee numbers. I've been told, but can't say for sure, that even some old strikers who got fired during the festivities, and then got their jobs back during the grievance process, were then assigned employee numbers with a letter on the end.
No letter at the end I have a D at the beginning
2000 hire
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