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Old 09-02-2013 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
And us "G"tards who made captain in 3 years. Cal scabs have a particular disdain for us alphabet kids. Alphabet kids also hate scabs.

Speak for yourself, I am a G tard and I could care less about the scabs. That happened when I was in first grade.... I am over it.


You must be an old ExpressJet pilot, they all seemed to hate the scabs. The funny part is that the scab haters in my class all were from regionals where they paid for training. That is a modern day scab in my book.

You PFTers were screwing the career back in the late 90s and now have the balls to complain about scabs that did the same thing overall.
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Old 09-02-2013 | 07:47 AM
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R U a SCAB? They generally dont like him.

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Old 09-02-2013 | 08:31 AM
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I wouldn't be that rough on Jack London, but he was indeed a late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century advocate of the working man--which in that day meant you were a socialist, or more accurately, a member of the Socialist Labor Party.

I'm not criticizing that. Had I been a trade unionist in that epoch, I'd have been a socialist also. Most likely, a score of years later, I'd have been accused of being a communist.

My problem is with airline pilots who conveniently brand themselves as trade unionists when it comes time to negotiate their own contracts, but in every other facet of their lives, vote for political candidates and ally with political factions that don't have labor's interests at heart.
CRAPers. Conservative Republican Airline Pilots.
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Old 09-02-2013 | 08:32 AM
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You're going to need more than employee numbers or some newly developed list of scabs to determine who the trade unionists are (or aren't) at Continental. As some have said, a percentage of those who crossed the picket line early on have become staunch union activists, including some who helped bring a union back on the property at CAL and, until recently, a top-level pilot in the SPSC committee.
There is no such thing as a staunch union activist SCAB. Only SCABs that the IACP and CAL union allowed back in....

But, you're interested in finding enemies at the new UniCal, I'm sure you'll succeed. If you just want to identify those not to talk to or associate with on layovers, I'm sure you'll hurt nobody's feelings. There are a lot of pilots who have a quarter-century of proficiency at slam-clicking, regardless of their experience regarding picket lines. Ostracize them? C'mon! They probably won't notice.
That is because the CAL union acts like a guest in managements house and is soft on SCABS!

The only thing funnier than a dead scab is a dead scab in a clown suit!!
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DMC12
This is way too much thought..... I just fly planes and get paid, that is it. I don't overthink it.

This kind of "who is cool and who is not" ended in high school for me.
Yeah right.....

When does high school end for you? I'm guessing you graduate in two maybe three years?
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:03 AM
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There is no such thing as a staunch union activist SCAB. Only SCABs that the IACP and CAL union allowed back in....
Trade unionism would not have returned to Continental as early as 1993, nor would a contract have been signed in 1995, without the cooperation of everyone--regardless of labor pedigree. The founders of IACP were an amalgamation of full-time CAL ALPA strikers, Old Cal pilots who crossed the picket line, newly hired pilots during the strike, and those who hired on after the strike settlement. The result was a record ratification election in which 92 percent of Continental's pilots voted for a return to trade unionism. That set a National Mediation Board record for an airline pilot certification ballot.

The first president of IACP was what you'd call a "scab," an Old Cal pilot who crossed the picket line. The second president was a full-term, battle-star-qualified striker. The third president was a former employee of that run-away shop that J. J. O'Donnell vowed would "never open a start valve," New York Air.

When ALPA returned to the property in 2000, it was another former NY Air IACP president that led the merger with the national union. Contrary to popular mythology, there was never an "amnesty" for CAL pilots who crossed the picket line. Case law based on the Railway Labor Act requires a successor union to accept all members in good standing of the predecessor union to be offered membership in the successor union. That would be the case should ALPA be replaced by another union on the United property.

Those are just the facts. If they upset you, so what? But they're posted for the benefit of those who are more interested in reality that continuing to fight a 30-year-old war.
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:15 AM
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At Delta everyone is exactly the same as everyone else. It's utopia...
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by v1ohno
I'll add some info to your already accurate synopsis.
Employee #'s

Old Cal-............. ........00xxx
Texas Air....................00xxx
83-85 scabs.................0xxx(letter) (Note 1)
NY air.........................10xxx
People Express.............23xxx,24xxx,25xxx,27xxx (Note 2)
Frontier.......................0xxx (letter) (Note 3)
86,87,88 hires.............30000-40000
89-95 hires..................41000-55000
Express hires till 2004..80000-89000 (Note 4)
early 97 Eastern..........Axxxx (Note 5)
97-early 98.................Bxxxx
98-99.........................Cxxxx
99-01.........................Exxxx
04-06.........................Gxxxx
06-present..................Mxxxx-Nxxxx
Gee I guess I dont exist as I am a 'D'
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Toddnel
Gee I guess I dont exist as I am a 'D'
Take part of this with a grain of salt. Captain John Prater, immediate past-president of ALPA, was the secretary-treasurer of the CAL MEC during the 1983-85 strike. Needless to say, he didn't cross the picket line. Nevertheless, his employee number ends with a letter. So do the employee numbers of certain Frontier pilots, who came onto the CAL seniority list well after the strike had been settled. Old Cal plots who crossed the picket line don't have letters in their employee numbers. I've been told, but can't say for sure, that even some old strikers who got fired during the festivities, and then got their jobs back during the grievance process, were then assigned employee numbers with a letter on the end.
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Old 09-02-2013 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveNelson
Take part of this with a grain of salt. Captain John Prater, immediate past-president of ALPA, was the secretary-treasurer of the CAL MEC during the 1983-85 strike. Needless to say, he didn't cross the picket line. Nevertheless, his employee number ends with a letter. So do the employee numbers of certain Frontier pilots, who came onto the CAL seniority list well after the strike had been settled. Old Cal plots who crossed the picket line don't have letters in their employee numbers. I've been told, but can't say for sure, that even some old strikers who got fired during the festivities, and then got their jobs back during the grievance process, were then assigned employee numbers with a letter on the end.

No letter at the end I have a D at the beginning
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