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02-26-2011 | 07:20 PM

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Sonny Crockett

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I really doubt a UAL Furloughee is going to take a CAL recall and then switch over to UAL.....WHY? You get your old payrate when you got the AX from UAL...so if you take the CAL recall you will be flying a BOEING and not a damn Airbus as a LCC slave--Pay would be the same.

I am waiting to take the CAL recall.....and I have ZERO intention of going through school TWICE ...."just to screw management"

I'm a 99' UAL Furloughee---Twice!

02-26-2011 | 07:46 PM

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Sonny , the way i read the ta is that u lose ur payrate three months i to 2012- thats right- u revert bAck to first year cal or ual pay- please reread it.

We all know mgmnt will let the date come and go and get a deal struck with the unions that if a ual guy accepts cal he will forgo going back to ual to eliminate any increase training cost. I totally see that coming.

If cal were allowed to hire off the street while ual peeps stayed furloughed- their would be a pretty large battle cry

We all need to just quit speculating and just wait for tk to ramp up- then we can start speculating on numbers.
Flight plan is supposed to come out soon/ if not already as per the ssc report

02-26-2011 | 08:11 PM

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I see lots of hazards to taking the CAL recall. For one, I'll be stuck commuting to reserve for 2+ yrs. No, I'd prefer to wait until the JCBA is done, SLI worked out and preferably close to a line. The absolute WORST outcome I can see is to go back too early and get furloughed AGAIN. I think I would shoot myself. And yes, I really think it is possible (or maybe I've just been conditioned to think that). I'm tired of the frickin roller coaster. I've met a lot of single/original furloughees who now have 5+ yrs at SW/FDX etc. Definitely wrong choice to come back the first time. IF I come back the second time it better damn well be worth it.

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02-26-2011 | 09:44 PM

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Sonny I appreciate your situation and yours in unique. You want to be in Houston and old United can't do that for you. For the rest of us, you are a new hire at Continental except that you retain your United pay and you get insurance. Beyond that you are a new hire and after the TA expires, all bets are off. At United you would be a 12 year employee, getting your benefits and pay raises etc based on that. Unless you live in Houston or Guam, it is a no brainer.

02-27-2011 | 07:48 AM

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If Sonny is a two time furloughed pilot he won't getting 12th year pay at UAL. Unlike Delta there is no pay longevity accrued on the street so even though our hire date is 12 years ago we are paid at 5th or 6th year rates depending on bypass length returning from the first furlough.

02-27-2011 | 08:41 AM

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Flight plan is supposed to come out soon/ if not already as per the ssc report

It's out, but it doesn't even mention anything smaller than a 767. Maybe there will be a "part two" coming out that addresses the rest of the fleet.

02-27-2011 | 12:17 PM

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If cal were allowed to hire off the street while ual peeps stayed furloughed- their would be a pretty large battle cry

Well, if all the UAL furloughs bypass and pilots are still needed what is the company to do? I mean even UAL had to hire when guys were on bypass a few years ago, right?

Don't raise the battle cry if you aren't going to take the positions being offered to you.

02-27-2011 | 02:00 PM

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I mean even UAL had to hire when guys were on bypass a few years ago, right?

Not quite. Last time everybody on bypass had to return prior to new hires; the 10-year bypass agreement is new to this cycle.

02-27-2011 | 03:47 PM

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Sonny Crockett

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----My point is I DOUBT anyone will take the CAL offer and then quickly return to UAL "Just to screw the company"

If I get recalled to UAL....I am on the bottom

If I get recalled to CAL....I am on the bottom

What's the difference?

I live in IAH...thus I would actually take the CAL offer..however I do have a home in Miami and commute again to either UAL or CAL.

02-27-2011 | 05:05 PM

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I've heard of 2 guys so far hired as PIs at TK. One was going to the 757 and I'm not sure about the other guy. I was also told 100 recalls in the fall/winter.