Guess what? The rules changed. Get over it.

 

LOL. That's funny right there! I don't care who you are. Guess you do what it takes to Git 'er done!

 

I would expect the respective sides to argue differently in front of the arbitrator, but if a/c orders won't be considered I guess it will be pointless.

Sounds fair to me.

 

I thought they were Russian Sub Commander hats.

 

Here is a sneak peak of the new Contied uniforms being considered.

 

What about the 4th "option"??
Hard Hat??

 

APC225,

The question is, when is the snapshot taken???

With new merger policy in play, and we are the first, an extended JCBA process delays the SLI. Who knows how long the JCBA will take.

I can throw in all kinds of variables in an extended JCBA process where CAL could argue for a snapshot taken at JCBA signing. For instance, UAL takes advantage of sunset provisions in the merger transition agreement and furloughs more UAL pilots while at the same time accepting new aircraft on the CAL side (okay maybe parking the 500's that remain) and still have a net gain/"hiring" of pilots including UAL furloughs per the agreement.

A can of worms to say the least. How does one approach that scenario? Do you go with information at the date of merger? Has the status quo on the groups changed significantly enough to warrant a new snapshot? Etc.

New merger policy is good IMO, but there is a double edged sword regarding the policy of no SLI process until a contract is signed. If the playing field changes drastically during the course of negotiating a contract, how could one not argue for a new snapshot to be taken if it is in your advantage?

Frats,
Lee

 

This is taken from the Transition Agreement Q&A. It sounds like the arbitrator will have several to work with.


7. Has a seniority list “snapshot” been taken yet and, if so, what is the date?

A: There is no single “snapshot” date used during the Seniority List Integration process; rather, there are several that will be used, with each having its own individual purpose.

One date that has already been used is May 17, 2010, which is the date of the Protocol Agreement between the CAL MEC and UAL MEC (available on the Merger Committee web page). That Agreement specified the date for both Merger Committees to initially certify the specifics of each pilot group’s employment data, including the names of all pilots on each seniority list, positions held, and leaves of absence.

There will be additional “snapshots” taken during the Seniority List Integration process to account for additions to or deletions from the respective lists, especially if the integration process continues to arbitration. When we wrote the Protocol Agreement with the UAL Merger Committee, we recognized that a considerable amount of time may be needed to negotiate a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement, so we included language that requires both Merger Committees to update the lists at a time closer to mediation and/or arbitration.

 

And its no surprise that EVERY CAL furloughee was recalled ASAP but bring back a UAL furloughee? Well, you may have the chance of being "hired" within a year or so.

Sorry, couldn't resist - now, I run- anybody need to borrow some kneepads?

KC

 

That speaks to the heart of the matter, no doubt. For the furloughs this is job or no job. For those fortunate enough to have jobs, how many people there are on the property junior to you can make all the difference.

I hope all furloughs are recalled as soon as possible and, who knows, they may all get recalled before the final snapshot and be back on the property before the arbitrator does the SLI.