Ames CAL Pilot Survey
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Ames CAL Pilot Survey
To the CAL Pilot's who took the online Ames Pilot Survey, did anyone find it lacking in the subject of "SCOPE"?? When getting to the bottom of the 35+ questions, I just found it kind of strange that only 4 questions even touched on SCOPE (18,19,22,32).....Isn't this kinda a "hot topic" for most, and deserving a bit more attention/focus??
For those who have taken the time to fill it out, thoughts??....Lip service or constructive??
If the UAL Pilot's had this as well, chime in.....
For those who have taken the time to fill it out, thoughts??....Lip service or constructive??
If the UAL Pilot's had this as well, chime in.....
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I’m furloughed UA so no survey for me. When I’ve been involved with negotiations in the past we would send out a poll on specific sections we were about to tackle. Do you think that is the case or was this poll all encompassing minus Scope?
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To the CAL Pilot's who took the online Ames Pilot Survey, did anyone find it lacking in the subject of "SCOPE"?? When getting to the bottom of the 35+ questions, I just found it kind of strange that only 4 questions even touched on SCOPE (18,19,22,32).....Isn't this kinda a "hot topic" for most, and deserving a bit more attention/focus??
For those who have taken the time to fill it out, thoughts??....Lip service or constructive??
If the UAL Pilot's had this as well, chime in.....
For those who have taken the time to fill it out, thoughts??....Lip service or constructive??
If the UAL Pilot's had this as well, chime in.....
#4
I agree. I thought the issue was addressed enough in that I made it number one priority. After all, no scope and everything else doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Made that clear in the comment section.
The questions that really ticked me off were the "variable compensation" questions. I used every last character I could in the comments section to show my disgust about how profit sharing is treated at this company, by this company and where I felt it belongs in our contract (hint: it doesn't...nor does VARIABLE compensation of any type). I will say it until I am blue in the face: either the company believes every employee contributes to profits no matter their union or contract status and should be rewarded for that AS ADDITIONAL REWARD/INCOME or they don't. It is not something for the union to negotiate IMO. If the company truly values US and our contributions to a profitable operation, they should pay us profit sharing, along with every other employee, no questions asked. Secure me scope, work rules, retirement, and hard quantifiable (read: NON-VARIABLE) income!
The questions that really ticked me off were the "variable compensation" questions. I used every last character I could in the comments section to show my disgust about how profit sharing is treated at this company, by this company and where I felt it belongs in our contract (hint: it doesn't...nor does VARIABLE compensation of any type). I will say it until I am blue in the face: either the company believes every employee contributes to profits no matter their union or contract status and should be rewarded for that AS ADDITIONAL REWARD/INCOME or they don't. It is not something for the union to negotiate IMO. If the company truly values US and our contributions to a profitable operation, they should pay us profit sharing, along with every other employee, no questions asked. Secure me scope, work rules, retirement, and hard quantifiable (read: NON-VARIABLE) income!
#5
And I put salary as dead last whenever possible. I want them to get the message that it is work rules first, first, and first, and then once that is achieved, we will sign once we get SWA pay rates for the 737 and go from there. My concern is that they are fishing to see if a yes vote can be bought with pay rates but no work rule changes.
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And I put salary as dead last whenever possible. I want them to get the message that it is work rules first, first, and first, and then once that is achieved, we will sign once we get SWA pay rates for the 737 and go from there. My concern is that they are fishing to see if a yes vote can be bought with pay rates but no work rule changes.
Next to SCOPE, I was gleaming the same thing that you pointed out above. I honestly believe that as time goes on (and by way of this survey), the JNC feels some deep motivation to get something out by way of "just producing a YES vote"....IE something just enough to push a 'hair-line majority', nothing industry leading/encompassing to protect mainline flying both on the regional side & JV/Overseas flying.
The point I was attempting to make in the O.P. was that all this questions asking about Profit Sharing, Stock Options, Stock Grants, Pay Scales, yada yada yada are pointless if SCOPE is not held miles North of paramount. If they are going to 'worry' about the above mentioned items in any JCBA, then SCOPE best have ALREADY been 'locked-up' in iron-clad form.
GOOD to hear others drove home the point on SCOPE in the comments section at the end. The LAST thing we need as a combine carrier is to have 'tunnel vision' soley on the hourly-quan/profit sharing/stock options.....you kind of have to be on property with a J-O-B to collect.....thus, full circle back to the idea of SCOPE.
I know this has been beaten to death & back........Paranoid?? D*mn straight.
#7
32. Management has expressed an interest in expanding the use of medium jets flown by other airlines, as allowed in the current UAL pilot CBA. Do you feel this should be:
Allowed in an unlimited fashion with appropriate compensation
Allowed but with restrictions and appropriate compensation
Allowed in an unlimited fashion
Allowed with restrictions
Not allowed at all
Allowed in an unlimited fashion with appropriate compensation
Allowed but with restrictions and appropriate compensation
Allowed in an unlimited fashion
Allowed with restrictions
Not allowed at all
It should have been:
32. Management has expressed an interest in expanding the use of medium jets flown by other airlines, as allowed in the current UAL pilot CBA. Do you feel this should be:
a. not allowed now
b. never allowed in the future
c. not even discussed
d. reversed to bring 1500 pilots back
e. all of the above
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This question should not have been asked at all, in any manner, for any reason. That this is even being asked means that they are discussing it. Very disappointing.
It should have been:
32. Management has expressed an interest in expanding the use of medium jets flown by other airlines, as allowed in the current UAL pilot CBA. Do you feel this should be:
a. not allowed now
b. never allowed in the future
c. not even discussed
d. reversed to bring 1500 pilots back
e. all of the above
It should have been:
32. Management has expressed an interest in expanding the use of medium jets flown by other airlines, as allowed in the current UAL pilot CBA. Do you feel this should be:
a. not allowed now
b. never allowed in the future
c. not even discussed
d. reversed to bring 1500 pilots back
e. all of the above
APC – You might be correct. I’ll only offer one of several possibilities to consider. There could be many reasons they could be asking this question. Not all bad.
Not sure as to the make up on the negotiating committee, but one reason this question could be asked is to merely squash the argument of one of the committee members. I have no inside scoop, but I could see polling the group to get the leverage to quiet down a committee member that’s way off the mark. I’d hate to think that we haven’t learned from our past mistakes (Trade Scope for $$). But the bottom line is you have the final say whether a TA is ratified.
I’m definitely not accusing or have any knowledge. I only want to point out that there are a lot of reasons to poll…. Some not as obvious as the others.
#9
However, I would much rather the MEC chair tell anyone who asks--the NC, the company, another MEC member, a pilot, the survey writer--"it isn't up for discussion."
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