Explains why every other pairing I'm up there doing BOS turns or ORD. "Avoid EWR" is a quick trip into denial mode. I'd love 75 to 78 hrs/mo. consistently out of IAH without having to advertise, or race to the phone to drop. Guess I'll have to wait until I'm the top 20%.

 

Most of United pilots' pain is self-inflicted. But UALALPO sure wins a lot of Pyrrhic Victories.

 

Okay. I guess my thoughts of Tilton, McDonald, Tague, Kohlshak, et al were misplaced. Thanks.

 

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with devastating cost to the victor; it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.

Origin:
The phrase is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war. – Plutarch
In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers, so their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.

The report is often quoted as "Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone," or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."

Although it is most closely associated with a military battle, the term is used by analogy in fields such as business, politics, law, literature, and sports to describe any similar struggle which is ruinous for the victor. For example, the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, writing of the need for coercion in the cause of justice, warned, "Moral reason must learn how to make coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph." Further, in Beauharnais v. Illinois, a United States Supreme Court decision involving a charge under an Illinois statute proscribing group libel, Justice Black, in his dissent, warned that "[i]f minority groups who hail this holding as their victory, they might consider the possible relevancy of this ancient remark: 'Another such victory and I am undone.'"

 

I do feel sorry for the mess the 1437 find themselves in. Do you really lay the majority of blame at alpa's feet for what we have endured over the last 10 years?

 

Dubinsky: "We don’t want to kill the golden goose. We just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg." Pyrrhic Victory.

Need I mention summer 2000 and the long term damage that the pilots did to their relationship with coworkers? Pyrrhic Victory.

Whiteford: Traded away unlimited 70 seat RJs to 'save' the pension. Pyrrhic Victory.

How about the work rule changes offered up by management to fix the WB vs NB work rules? You know, the one the membership turned down in spite of it being a good deal for the pilots because there was vitriolic hatred toward Tilton? Pyrrhic Victory.

Plenty of other examples. The methods used by the union to deal with management have been nothing short of something out of the Keystone Kops.
There has been very little thought by the union leadership and members of the negative consequences of their actions. The only thing that's been important to the union is 'how much this will hurt management'. And people like you wonder why UAL pilots suffer.
Southwest's management could be brought in to run United and I have no doubt that the pilots would effectively tick them off. And then the pilots would again complain about how bad management is. Maybe, just maybe, the entire blame isn't in management's corner. I know that's a horrific thought; a subject never broached among UAL pilots.

 

Quoting current UALMEC leaders, their aim was to remove the "toxic" relationship the previous MEC had with management and positively "engage the company".

Well, that's working like a charm!

 

Unlike previous MEC's, at least they aren't burning the place down. You know how Einstein defined insanity, right?

 

[QUOTE=Andy;986537]Dubinsky: "We don’t want to kill the golden goose. We ju

 

Making ends meet and living the life that we want are 2 different things. Sad that on mil leave I'm making more than the 12 year captains on the 777 at United. What a joke. Nobody puts as much time into a career to get 75K per year. United and CAL both are in for a rude awakening with this contract. I have no vote on mil leave status. If I did, we'd get the same raises management got this year 30%+...FUPM