2012 Delta + 1
07-27-2011, 09:04 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
...You may not care but I most certainly do.
Caio
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07-27-2011, 10:22 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
That is my opinion too. That would be an industry leading contract.
I always laugh when people say "We should be paid what we are worth." There is a big difference between what people usually think they are worth, and what they are actually worth. We are worth industry average. That is what the market has decided our wages should be. I believe we should be paid towards the top of the industry, but not far and above everyone else. Industry is also relative. FedEx and UPS are not part of our industry. They are cargo airlines which is a far different industry than passenger airlines.
I just don't want to see United negotiate another C2000, then take massive pay cuts and furloughs just a few years later because of it. I'd rather get Delta + 1 and be industry leading.
I always laugh when people say "We should be paid what we are worth." There is a big difference between what people usually think they are worth, and what they are actually worth. We are worth industry average. That is what the market has decided our wages should be. I believe we should be paid towards the top of the industry, but not far and above everyone else. Industry is also relative. FedEx and UPS are not part of our industry. They are cargo airlines which is a far different industry than passenger airlines.
I just don't want to see United negotiate another C2000, then take massive pay cuts and furloughs just a few years later because of it. I'd rather get Delta + 1 and be industry leading.
07-27-2011, 11:41 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
That is my opinion too. That would be an industry leading contract.
I always laugh when people say "We should be paid what we are worth." There is a big difference between what people usually think they are worth, and what they are actually worth. We are worth industry average. That is what the market has decided our wages should be. I believe we should be paid towards the top of the industry, but not far and above everyone else. Industry is also relative. FedEx and UPS are not part of our industry. They are cargo airlines which is a far different industry than passenger airlines.
I just don't want to see United negotiate another C2000, then take massive pay cuts and furloughs just a few years later because of it. I'd rather get Delta + 1 and be industry leading.
I always laugh when people say "We should be paid what we are worth." There is a big difference between what people usually think they are worth, and what they are actually worth. We are worth industry average. That is what the market has decided our wages should be. I believe we should be paid towards the top of the industry, but not far and above everyone else. Industry is also relative. FedEx and UPS are not part of our industry. They are cargo airlines which is a far different industry than passenger airlines.
I just don't want to see United negotiate another C2000, then take massive pay cuts and furloughs just a few years later because of it. I'd rather get Delta + 1 and be industry leading.
Dues?? See above. I'm asking you point blank: Do you pay union dues or not?
07-28-2011, 05:40 AM
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Some random guy called me Carl a few months ago, and now everyone says I don't pay union dues. So let me be clear.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
07-28-2011, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Delta +1 with UAL work rules is most certainly NOT industry leading. You can say that you don't think we should get more than Delta +1, but you are just dead WRONG that it's industry leading in any way. Give me ONE example of DAL+1 being industry leading. Pay? SWA. Scope? Ummmm... everyone BUT DAL. Retirement? Nope. Work rules? Nope.
Dues?? See above. I'm asking you point blank: Do you pay union dues or not?
Dues?? See above. I'm asking you point blank: Do you pay union dues or not?
Again we find someone who believes C2000 was responsible for UAL'S ch11 filing. Nevermind 9/11, the dot com bust, and outsourcing on steroids.
Sounds like another special pilot with an "industry average" mentality.
07-28-2011, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Actually, it's good for those new to the industry to witness the mentality of IAHFLYER. The more he types, the more his true colors show.
Again we find someone who believes C2000 was responsible for UAL'S ch11 filing. Nevermind 9/11, the dot com bust, and outsourcing on steroids.
Sounds like another special pilot with an "industry average" mentality.
Again we find someone who believes C2000 was responsible for UAL'S ch11 filing. Nevermind 9/11, the dot com bust, and outsourcing on steroids.
Sounds like another special pilot with an "industry average" mentality.
07-28-2011, 09:57 AM
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I always thought iahliar was just a guy locked in his step mom's basement watching Star Trek reruns and playing on the computer.
I guess he's less than that. Can you say MANAGEMENT....
I guess he's less than that. Can you say MANAGEMENT....
07-28-2011, 10:27 AM
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scabs...
Originally Posted by Airhoss
I always thought iahliar was just a guy locked in his step mom's basement watching Star Trek reruns and playing on the computer.
I guess he's less than that. Can you say MANAGEMENT....
I guess he's less than that. Can you say MANAGEMENT....
07-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
So you don't think c2000 contributed to the ch-11 filing?
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