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07-30-2011 | 12:39 PM
#42
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Some random guy called me Carl a few months ago, and now everyone says I don't pay union dues. So let me be clear.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
07-30-2011 | 12:45 PM
#43
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Some random guy called me Carl a few months ago, and now everyone says I don't pay union dues. So let me be clear.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
My name is not Carl.
I'm not even sure who Carl is.
I do pay my union dues.
As for who I am, I will not give out my name on a public message board. I'm 6'6". That ought to narrow it down pretty good if anyone really wants to know who I am.
Scabs are required to pay union dues too.
07-30-2011 | 03:54 PM
#46
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FedEx and UPS are not in the same industry as us. They are cargo airlines. Their revenue is tied to an entirely different source. Their competition is completely different. I can't just start Joe Blow Cargo with a few airplanes and expect to make money. There are major barriers to entry in the cargo industry, and very little barriers of entry in the airline industry. Like it or not, there is a ton more competition in the passenger airline industry, which is why we cannot ask for large salaries. We have to be competitive, or we loose are jobs.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
07-30-2011 | 04:50 PM
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Just because they call themselves a low cost passenger airline doesn't make them so. Their prices and tickets are just as high and most of the time higher.
07-30-2011 | 04:55 PM
#48
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From: 737 FO
FedEx and UPS are not in the same industry as us. They are cargo airlines. Their revenue is tied to an entirely different source. Their competition is completely different. I can't just start Joe Blow Cargo with a few airplanes and expect to make money. There are major barriers to entry in the cargo industry, and very little barriers of entry in the airline industry. Like it or not, there is a ton more competition in the passenger airline industry, which is why we cannot ask for large salaries. We have to be competitive, or we loose are jobs.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
We carry passengers.. people's lives are in our hands, they carry boxes. Iahflyr, I'm going to give you some constructive criticism..."stop talking". Management of UniCal just gave themselves a 40% raise...give it a rest that they don't have money. Second, we stay competitive with our service from our employees and marketing plan. UniCal should be attacking the Asian/Middle East market and if the employees are happy, the airline will be happy(Look at Southwest). Third, jobs are lost through SCOPE...period! They get outsourced to the lowest bidder...but it seems in your eyes, low pay is fine. GIVE ME A BREAK. We are professional pilots and will be paid accordingly, if you can't wrap your management brain around it, I'm sorry for you. By the way, I'm 5' 8 3/4".
07-30-2011 | 05:17 PM
#49
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From: 737 Cap
FedEx and UPS are not in the same industry as us. They are cargo airlines. Their revenue is tied to an entirely different source. Their competition is completely different. I can't just start Joe Blow Cargo with a few airplanes and expect to make money. There are major barriers to entry in the cargo industry, and very little barriers of entry in the airline industry. Like it or not, there is a ton more competition in the passenger airline industry, which is why we cannot ask for large salaries. We have to be competitive, or we loose are jobs.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
I believe our industry is our similar peers (Delta, American, and US Air). You could make an argument for Southwest, but the realities of their industry (low cost passenger airlines) is different than ours.
On the Southwest side, how should a "low cost" carrier pilot make less than whatever you think we are. Seriously, you appear to be a complete management sycophant. Sh!t, 2nd year SWA F/O's make more than 12 year F/O's at UAL, and 8 year F/O's at SWA make more than 20+ year Captains on the 320 at UAl. This is acceptable to you? Are you f$%#&ng kidding me? Lunacy.
Scott
07-30-2011 | 05:20 PM
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From: 737 FO
they fly airplanes for a living - so do you. In fact, you fly the same sized airplanes. Ufb.
On the southwest side, how should a "low cost" carrier pilot make less than whatever you think we are. Seriously, you appear to be a complete management sycophant. Sh!t, 2nd year swa f/o's make more than 12 year f/o's at ual, and 8 year f/o's at swa make more than 20+ year captains on the 320 at ual. This is acceptable to you? Are you f$%#&ng kidding me? Lunacy.
Scott
On the southwest side, how should a "low cost" carrier pilot make less than whatever you think we are. Seriously, you appear to be a complete management sycophant. Sh!t, 2nd year swa f/o's make more than 12 year f/o's at ual, and 8 year f/o's at swa make more than 20+ year captains on the 320 at ual. This is acceptable to you? Are you f$%#&ng kidding me? Lunacy.
Scott
exactly!!! +1
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