2012 Delta + 1
07-31-2011 | 06:06 PM
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No, because after exiting BK with the lowest pilot compensation industry wide, they were still tethering on a second bankruptcy as if you can't remember. Plan A was the same as B and plan C. Someone to tie the knot with. Without that the company was headed for another day in court.
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08-01-2011 | 03:54 AM
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No, because after exiting BK with the lowest pilot compensation industry wide, they were still tethering on a second bankruptcy as if you can't remember. Plan A was the same as B and plan C. Someone to tie the knot with. Without that the company was headed for another day in court.
The big picture dude, the big one...
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08-01-2011 | 08:54 AM
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Syd, did you also plan on 9-11? Was the contract contributory? Yes. But any contract in 2000 would have been. So was the cost of fuel, lower than projected revenue, wasteful projects, etc. Was C2000 causal? Not by itself. To look back and try to pick that out as THE reason for BK is ridiculous and plays right into mgt's hands. Are you saying that absent C2000, bankruptcy would have been avoided? Fat chance.
Maybe we should just stick with the current contract, then, to minimize the risk of BK. We wouldn't want to put the company through that again, now would we?
Maybe we should just stick with the current contract, then, to minimize the risk of BK. We wouldn't want to put the company through that again, now would we?
08-01-2011 | 09:02 AM
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Syd, did you also plan on 9-11? Was the contract contributory? Yes. But any contract in 2000 would have been. So was the cost of fuel, lower than projected revenue, wasteful projects, etc. Was C2000 causal? Not by itself. To look back and try to pick that out as THE reason for BK is ridiculous and plays right into mgt's hands. Are you saying that absent C2000, bankruptcy would have been avoided? Fat chance.
Maybe we should just stick with the current contract, then, to minimize the risk of BK. We wouldn't want to put the company through that again, now would we?
Maybe we should just stick with the current contract, then, to minimize the risk of BK. We wouldn't want to put the company through that again, now would we?
Amazing on this site when you might have a different opinion about a subject. By the way I am not playing into managements hands in any way shape or form.
08-02-2011 | 06:33 AM
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08-02-2011 | 06:59 AM
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True, but you are dealing with a management team who feels that the industry-leading employees who work hard to create an industry-leading airline (certainly up for debate after this summer) only deserve industry-standard wages. When our executives practice what they preach and only get paid industry standard, then I might get on board with that argument. Until then,
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08-02-2011 | 12:31 PM
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If this contract doesn't break the mold on the upside, then we may as well pack it in, wear the nondescript "light jacket" when in uniform so no one knows who we work for, and remove the mirrors from the house.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
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08-02-2011 | 12:44 PM
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If this contract doesn't break the mold on the upside, then we may as well pack it in, wear a "light jacket" at all times when in uniforms so no one knows who we work for, and remove the mirrors from the house.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
Exactly, thank you. Ever notice the independent profit/revenue numbers far exceed the company provided data??
UAL can easily afford Southwest PLUS payscales (Industry Leading) along with scope/work rules.
But regardless, with 85+% loads and pricing power, our desired contract is approx. a bag fee away.
If we don't stand up for that minimum, we will be the weakest group of unionized professional pilots in history.
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08-13-2011 | 09:36 AM
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Delta +1 has never been anything but a concessionary contract. Delta +1 is even a PAY CUT for some people.
The companies offer of Delta +1 has ALWAYS included the exceptions...
Except their work rules...
Except their scope....
Except their vacation...
Except.... except... except...
I just had a SWA jumpseater last night. He will make over 250k this year and he admitted he is not even close to the top. He believes that the #2 in his Phoenix domicile will top 400k. I know another that made 314k last year. They have many f/os that make MORE than our highest paid line pilot.
It is beyond me why there are a few that would accept Delta +1. Please call either Wendy or Jay to let them know how how you feel. They can do a much better job than me on helping you extract your head out of your butt.
The companies offer of Delta +1 has ALWAYS included the exceptions...
Except their work rules...
Except their scope....
Except their vacation...
Except.... except... except...
I just had a SWA jumpseater last night. He will make over 250k this year and he admitted he is not even close to the top. He believes that the #2 in his Phoenix domicile will top 400k. I know another that made 314k last year. They have many f/os that make MORE than our highest paid line pilot.
It is beyond me why there are a few that would accept Delta +1. Please call either Wendy or Jay to let them know how how you feel. They can do a much better job than me on helping you extract your head out of your butt.
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