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#74
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On the bid that closed last month there were 5 awards to GUM 737 F/O. The junior one awarded was about 9800 on the seniority list. On the bid that closed last weekend (no results out yet) there were not any advertised vacancies in GUM, so any awards would only be to backfill for somebody else leaving.
So, in the short term the only way to get to GUM for a new hire would be to get a 737 F/O assignment somewhere else out of new hire and then hope for a lateral. I am not sure how much demand there is waiting for the GUM bids, but you figure that pilot 9800 has not quite 3000 pilots junior to him, so how ever many of those 3000 want to go to GUM would be ahead of you.
Even getting a 737 F/O slot as a new hire may become a challenge as the training in that fleet is shifted to accommodate more Captains and we will likely have a huge amount of 67 F/O vacancies going to new hires.
In the longer term, I think that GUM has historically gone fairly junior (legacy CAL folks can speak better to that) so, I think as all the movement settles and the legacy UA guys that are interested in going to GUM get their bids and the legacy CAL gusy interested in getting away from GUM get their bids, you will see GUM become a little easier to get to.
So, in the short term the only way to get to GUM for a new hire would be to get a 737 F/O assignment somewhere else out of new hire and then hope for a lateral. I am not sure how much demand there is waiting for the GUM bids, but you figure that pilot 9800 has not quite 3000 pilots junior to him, so how ever many of those 3000 want to go to GUM would be ahead of you.
Even getting a 737 F/O slot as a new hire may become a challenge as the training in that fleet is shifted to accommodate more Captains and we will likely have a huge amount of 67 F/O vacancies going to new hires.
In the longer term, I think that GUM has historically gone fairly junior (legacy CAL folks can speak better to that) so, I think as all the movement settles and the legacy UA guys that are interested in going to GUM get their bids and the legacy CAL gusy interested in getting away from GUM get their bids, you will see GUM become a little easier to get to.
#75
Don't forget instant advance to second year pay for new hires assigned to Guam. Plus paid moves.
B-1-b At his option, a Pilot assigned to Guam who is in his first year of employment shall receive an eighteen (18) month Base freeze and be paid using the second-year pay rate (in Status), or no Base freeze and be paid using the first-year pay rate.
B-1-b At his option, a Pilot assigned to Guam who is in his first year of employment shall receive an eighteen (18) month Base freeze and be paid using the second-year pay rate (in Status), or no Base freeze and be paid using the first-year pay rate.
Last edited by APC225; 01-28-2014 at 01:22 PM.
#76
In the longer term, I think that GUM has historically gone fairly junior (legacy CAL folks can speak better to that) so, I think as all the movement settles and the legacy UA guys that are interested in going to GUM get their bids and the legacy CAL gusy interested in getting away from GUM get their bids, you will see GUM become a little easier to get to.
Last edited by APC225; 01-28-2014 at 01:40 PM.
#77
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I just returned from Guam (TDY).
Here are some of my general impressions, in no particular order:
Tumon Bay is fun; great beach, good bars.
There is a reason you get 2nd year pay immediately and the living allowance: things are pricey!
If you have kids, run away. The schools are not just bad; they are dangerous.
The base currently does a surprising amount of night flying. Not one of my trips got back before 01:30, including the turns. I was getting back to my hotel between 02:30 and 06:00.
The over night hotels are great! They better be, because in many of the cities
we RON, it's best to not carry any jewelry, phones, wallets, etc, while going for a stroll.
The Air Micronesia community is terrific. The best flight attendants in the system. They are not going to give you cockpit massages, but the truly are very friendly.
Biggest damn spiders I've ever seen!
Lots of tourist everywhere! Japanese, Korean, and the new kids on the block: hordes of Russians.
I did not see one bird. The brown tree snakes got 'em all.
The hot spot in town is the local 24 hour K-Mart (I am not kidding).
I had fun while I was there, despite the horrible duty hours. I would not want a steady diet. Once the novelty wears off, it's sure to be a bit of a grind. I can imagine that in the summer , when it's 99 degrees, with no breezes blowing, it would be oppressive.
Here are some of my general impressions, in no particular order:
Tumon Bay is fun; great beach, good bars.
There is a reason you get 2nd year pay immediately and the living allowance: things are pricey!
If you have kids, run away. The schools are not just bad; they are dangerous.
The base currently does a surprising amount of night flying. Not one of my trips got back before 01:30, including the turns. I was getting back to my hotel between 02:30 and 06:00.
The over night hotels are great! They better be, because in many of the cities
we RON, it's best to not carry any jewelry, phones, wallets, etc, while going for a stroll.
The Air Micronesia community is terrific. The best flight attendants in the system. They are not going to give you cockpit massages, but the truly are very friendly.
Biggest damn spiders I've ever seen!
Lots of tourist everywhere! Japanese, Korean, and the new kids on the block: hordes of Russians.
I did not see one bird. The brown tree snakes got 'em all.
The hot spot in town is the local 24 hour K-Mart (I am not kidding).
I had fun while I was there, despite the horrible duty hours. I would not want a steady diet. Once the novelty wears off, it's sure to be a bit of a grind. I can imagine that in the summer , when it's 99 degrees, with no breezes blowing, it would be oppressive.
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A few answers:
A lot of people have dogs on the island, mostly stray "boonie" dogs that tend to be extremely well mannered. I don't think most renters have any problems with dogs. However, you will most likely pay a pet deposit that may or may not be refundable.
Humidity in GUM is much more than Hawaii. At least compared to Oahu since I haven't been to the other islands in Hawaii. I've heard the Big Island is fairly rainy and humid in Hawaii, but I can't compare since I've never been there.
Technically, people from Guam are Americans, but since they are a territory, they can't vote for the president and they don't have any voting representation in Washington DC. I think there is 1 "non-voting" representative that is in DC that represents all of Micronesia (GUM and surrounding islands). They do have US passports and consider themselves Americans. The Guam saying is "Where America's day begins", so I apologize if I offended anyone. The tax code is the same as the mainland, but all federal taxes you pay go to Guam instead of DC. There are no "state" taxes to speak of.
A lot of people have dogs on the island, mostly stray "boonie" dogs that tend to be extremely well mannered. I don't think most renters have any problems with dogs. However, you will most likely pay a pet deposit that may or may not be refundable.
Humidity in GUM is much more than Hawaii. At least compared to Oahu since I haven't been to the other islands in Hawaii. I've heard the Big Island is fairly rainy and humid in Hawaii, but I can't compare since I've never been there.
Technically, people from Guam are Americans, but since they are a territory, they can't vote for the president and they don't have any voting representation in Washington DC. I think there is 1 "non-voting" representative that is in DC that represents all of Micronesia (GUM and surrounding islands). They do have US passports and consider themselves Americans. The Guam saying is "Where America's day begins", so I apologize if I offended anyone. The tax code is the same as the mainland, but all federal taxes you pay go to Guam instead of DC. There are no "state" taxes to speak of.
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