Easy for you to say...You didn't have to relearn much there on your guppy. Like I said in my earlier post, unless your a PMUA 756 or 777 pilot, you really don't fully comprehend what B.S. it is to learn all of these new procedures in a 1 hr video with NO SIM/FBS training whatsoever. After all, when you learned them (they are your procedures) I'm pretty sure you got to practice them in a sim once or twice, no? We didn't have that luxury. It's ****-poor training and needed to be brought to light for just how unsafe it is. It has nothing to do with your procedures. It has everything to do with how it was taught to us. I understand and respect that you have a "varying opinion" my co-worker friend, but I don't think that you are fully aware of the extent of the changes that PMUA 756 & 777 pilots had to undertake with a 1 hr CBT and accompanying pamphlet.

 

Oh, *****. I'm not sure what your agenda is, but you and "Dumbfounded" seem oddly intent on stirring up division where there is none. I was there in person when Pierce first introduced the idea of the "operated by Continental Pilots" PA to the pilot group. The sole intent is to make the public (and, more importantly, Smisek) aware that the merger has not gone well and will not go well until the pilots have a JCBA. Sorry, but until we have a contract and SLI it's not just "rhetoric", it's a fact - we are seperate pilot groups. That doesn't mean that we can't speak with one voice as a united labor front. We're doing that and will continue to do so. But I refuse to join Jeffy's big merger group hug until we're given a contract. Frankly, I'm so unmotivated nowadays I can scarcely manage a PA, but apparently now I will have to start making an effort. The fact that you can manage to persuade yourself that Pierce's comments somehow equate to JLo's insults at the recent "exchanges" has convinced me your fairly comfortable carrying Jeffrey's water. I'm not and neither is the majority of the combined pilot group. If they want our help promoting this merger and making it a success they can give us a contract - otherwise we're just another USAIR and I'll do my part to make sure everyone knows it. This whole thread is stupid...

 

13 north:

"The fact that you can manage to persuade yourself that Pierce's comments somehow equate to JLo's insults at the recent "exchanges" has convinced me your fairly comfortable carrying Jeffrey's water."

First until you have walked the line keep your pointed finger looking at the mirror and remember your own words in the future.

Second, we are all pilots and it is clear Jeffery would like to nothing more than to divide and separate, which both yours and Mr. Chairman's rhetoric does. Words like yours and his polarize and divide. You can call the BS flag all you want, but when it comes time to walk together your words won't be "United, they will be "proud," different contracts, different seniority lists and different uniforms.

So talk "proudly" all you want while your fellow pilots actually work together to achieve the goals of being pilots who actually are "United."

 

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Well said.

 

On a positive note...
Thank you New York pilots for your show of Unity!

Very encouraging!

 

Why don't you ask Capt Pierce what his agenda really is : What he said
to management was don't included the CAL pilots in this mess we want a free ride and if it works out ok - otherwise, Mr. Jeff, we'll be your chosen boys. Why don't you ask Pierce about not being supported for ALPA National President. His fall back position is to replace Fred - I understand he will retire shortly. He has an agenda - he just didn't tell you what it is!

 

No its not. Because once they are done with the WB fleets, the move to the 737 fleet. I have seen some of the proposed changes and I agree, it's not going to be good from a CAL standpoint either. Have you tried to find anything in the AIM, sorry WOM? It will be easier in terms of trying to assimilate the varying degree of changes coming simply because the CAL pilots have been doing it this way since AQP. I do see a classroom and a two sim rides for EACH pilot as an impossibility, though. The problem is finding common ground to accomplish the training, which between the two MEC's, will never be found.

 

On this we can agree! Captian Jayson Baron, Chairman CAL C170, showed the leadership needed - he put it on the line and didn't hedge his position as he lead a combined CAL/UAL pilot group out of Jeff's room. Well Done!

 

Do you really believe the crap you keep posting on here DF?

 

YES driver, I do. What are you trying to do take away from the Council 170 Chairman at Mr Jeff's meeting?