UAL and CAL cross-hub flying increases
11-24-2011 | 09:36 AM
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UAL and CAL cross-hub flying increases
Not that we didn't all expect this to start happening on a bigger scale. Any guesses on how soon after December 31st there bids will come out on both sides of operation announcing new bases and moving planes/pilots around?
Latest route changes, additions in the 11/25/2011 OAG:
CO DEN-ANC
CO DEN-BWI
CO DEN-LGA
CO DEN-PHL
CO DEN-PHX
CO DEN-TPA
CO IAD-DEN
CO IAD-PHX
CO IAD-SEA
CO IAD-TPA
CO LAX-BOS
CO LAX-BWI
CO ORD-ANC
CO ORD-DCA
CO ORD-DEN
CO ORD-LAS
CO ORD-LAX
CO ORD-MCO
CO ORD-SEA
CO ORD-SNA
CO ORD-STT
CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-BOS
CO SFO-DEN
CO SFO-LAX
CO SFO-PDX
CO SFO-PHX
CO SFO-SEA
UA CLE-MCO
UA EWR-LAS
UA EWR-MCO
UA EWR-MIA
UA EWR-SAT
UA EWR-SEA
UA EWR-SNA
UA EWR-SXM
UA IAH-ATL
UA IAH-BOS
UA IAH-DCA
UA IAH-DEN
UA IAH-DTW
UA IAH-EWR
UA IAH-IAD
UA IAH-LAS
UA IAH-LGA
UA IAH-PDX
UA IAH-PHL
UA IAH-PHX
UA IAH-SEA
UA LAX-CLE
Latest route changes, additions in the 11/25/2011 OAG:
CO DEN-ANC
CO DEN-BWI
CO DEN-LGA
CO DEN-PHL
CO DEN-PHX
CO DEN-TPA
CO IAD-DEN
CO IAD-PHX
CO IAD-SEA
CO IAD-TPA
CO LAX-BOS
CO LAX-BWI
CO ORD-ANC
CO ORD-DCA
CO ORD-DEN
CO ORD-LAS
CO ORD-LAX
CO ORD-MCO
CO ORD-SEA
CO ORD-SNA
CO ORD-STT
CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-BOS
CO SFO-DEN
CO SFO-LAX
CO SFO-PDX
CO SFO-PHX
CO SFO-SEA
UA CLE-MCO
UA EWR-LAS
UA EWR-MCO
UA EWR-MIA
UA EWR-SAT
UA EWR-SEA
UA EWR-SNA
UA EWR-SXM
UA IAH-ATL
UA IAH-BOS
UA IAH-DCA
UA IAH-DEN
UA IAH-DTW
UA IAH-EWR
UA IAH-IAD
UA IAH-LAS
UA IAH-LGA
UA IAH-PDX
UA IAH-PHL
UA IAH-PHX
UA IAH-SEA
UA LAX-CLE
11-25-2011 | 09:10 AM
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ORD CO 737 base & IAH UA 320 base next year is my guess. As a sidenote, I looked up some of these flts on "Flying Together" (bored) and sure enough some of them start in January. Of course several of the "UA" routes are actually Skywest or Mesa (RJ's). IAH-ATL for example. No surprise there. SCOPE IS EVERYTHING! Don't give an inch.
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11-27-2011 | 02:19 PM
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Still can't figure out why we're doing UAL's hub to hub flying and they're doing ours. Seriously, just how much money are we saving by doing that? And then the FAA is talking about us not commuting? What a joke................seems like just about everyone is going to be commuting by the end of next year..............
11-27-2011 | 07:09 PM
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Still can't figure out why we're doing UAL's hub to hub flying and they're doing ours. Seriously, just how much money are we saving by doing that? And then the FAA is talking about us not commuting? What a joke................seems like just about everyone is going to be commuting by the end of next year..............
* the FAA. Even the guy who drives from ABE to EWR is a commuter.
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11-28-2011 | 12:13 AM
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Ahem...for all the excitable types...none of this requires different crew bases...at least in the short-term.
Trip sequences are purely software-driven in a multitude of limiting or advantageous parameters. United could build all equipment trip sequences, if it so chose, out of Guam. Lots of deadhead, hotel, and duty problems to be sure, but there is a trip solution...clearly not very practical. I've seen it on a demo one time.
And, cross-pollinization has always been part of the merger/assimilation plan
Wait until you see a bid, then start digging out the attic.
Trip sequences are purely software-driven in a multitude of limiting or advantageous parameters. United could build all equipment trip sequences, if it so chose, out of Guam. Lots of deadhead, hotel, and duty problems to be sure, but there is a trip solution...clearly not very practical. I've seen it on a demo one time.
And, cross-pollinization has always been part of the merger/assimilation plan
Wait until you see a bid, then start digging out the attic.
11-28-2011 | 07:53 AM
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Ahem...for all the excitable types...none of this requires different crew bases...at least in the short-term.
Trip sequences are purely software-driven in a multitude of limiting or advantageous parameters. United could build all equipment trip sequences, if it so chose, out of Guam. Lots of deadhead, hotel, and duty problems to be sure, but there is a trip solution...clearly not very practical. I've seen it on a demo one time.
And, cross-pollinization has always been part of the merger/assimilation plan
Wait until you see a bid, then start digging out the attic.
Trip sequences are purely software-driven in a multitude of limiting or advantageous parameters. United could build all equipment trip sequences, if it so chose, out of Guam. Lots of deadhead, hotel, and duty problems to be sure, but there is a trip solution...clearly not very practical. I've seen it on a demo one time.
And, cross-pollinization has always been part of the merger/assimilation plan
Wait until you see a bid, then start digging out the attic.
Section 13 Termination of this Transition and Process Agreement
13-A. Partial Termination. Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties
may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough
with regard to United Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base
Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or
after December 31, 2011, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a
JCBA by that date.
13-B. Termination by Agreement. The Parties may terminate this Transition
and Process Agreement whenever they shall agree to do so.
13-C. Termination by Notice. An Airline Party or ALPA may terminate this
Transition and Process Agreement on fifteen (15) days notice delivered to the
other Parties at any time following termination of the Merger Agreement under
Section 8.1 of that Agreement.
13-D. Effect of Termination. Termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement will not affect a Party’s obligations under Sections 3, 7-B-(iv), 8, 11,
12, and applicable definitions in Section 1, nor will it affect any outstanding
payment obligations under Section 15. A Pilot who has been employed pursuant
to Section 7-B will continue, at his option, to be employed by the employing
Airline in accordance with that Airline’s collective bargaining agreement;
however, two (2) months after termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement his pay rate going forward will be adjusted to reflect only his accrued
service credit at the employing Airline.
11-28-2011 | 11:33 AM
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I have the document too.
Still think you'll see possible new flying only at least for awhile. The "dynamics" behind the opening/closing of crew bases is rather large.
However, in fairness to your point, "cross-pollinating" is a stated internal goal and the bases are already established. Equip/status is just a system bid.
We shall see....
Still think you'll see possible new flying only at least for awhile. The "dynamics" behind the opening/closing of crew bases is rather large.
However, in fairness to your point, "cross-pollinating" is a stated internal goal and the bases are already established. Equip/status is just a system bid.
We shall see....
11-28-2011 | 07:17 PM
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31 December is only about a month away, not too long a wait for the Happy New Year Domicile Opening/Closing letter. (emphasis added in bold and underline)
Section 13 Termination of this Transition and Process Agreement
13-A. Partial Termination. Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties
may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough
with regard to United Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base
Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or
after December 31, 2011, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a
JCBA by that date.
13-B. Termination by Agreement. The Parties may terminate this Transition
and Process Agreement whenever they shall agree to do so.
13-C. Termination by Notice. An Airline Party or ALPA may terminate this
Transition and Process Agreement on fifteen (15) days notice delivered to the
other Parties at any time following termination of the Merger Agreement under
Section 8.1 of that Agreement.
13-D. Effect of Termination. Termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement will not affect a Party’s obligations under Sections 3, 7-B-(iv), 8, 11,
12, and applicable definitions in Section 1, nor will it affect any outstanding
payment obligations under Section 15. A Pilot who has been employed pursuant
to Section 7-B will continue, at his option, to be employed by the employing
Airline in accordance with that Airline’s collective bargaining agreement;
however, two (2) months after termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement his pay rate going forward will be adjusted to reflect only his accrued
service credit at the employing Airline.
Section 13 Termination of this Transition and Process Agreement
13-A. Partial Termination. Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties
may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough
with regard to United Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base
Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or
after December 31, 2011, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a
JCBA by that date.
13-B. Termination by Agreement. The Parties may terminate this Transition
and Process Agreement whenever they shall agree to do so.
13-C. Termination by Notice. An Airline Party or ALPA may terminate this
Transition and Process Agreement on fifteen (15) days notice delivered to the
other Parties at any time following termination of the Merger Agreement under
Section 8.1 of that Agreement.
13-D. Effect of Termination. Termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement will not affect a Party’s obligations under Sections 3, 7-B-(iv), 8, 11,
12, and applicable definitions in Section 1, nor will it affect any outstanding
payment obligations under Section 15. A Pilot who has been employed pursuant
to Section 7-B will continue, at his option, to be employed by the employing
Airline in accordance with that Airline’s collective bargaining agreement;
however, two (2) months after termination of this Transition and Process
Agreement his pay rate going forward will be adjusted to reflect only his accrued
service credit at the employing Airline.
11-29-2011 | 07:20 AM
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I have the document too.
Still think you'll see possible new flying only at least for awhile. The "dynamics" behind the opening/closing of crew bases is rather large.
However, in fairness to your point, "cross-pollinating" is a stated internal goal and the bases are already established. Equip/status is just a system bid.
We shall see....
Still think you'll see possible new flying only at least for awhile. The "dynamics" behind the opening/closing of crew bases is rather large.
However, in fairness to your point, "cross-pollinating" is a stated internal goal and the bases are already established. Equip/status is just a system bid.
We shall see....
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