LeeMat

Well I think in the end it is a good agreement...I can see many ways in which UCH will blame L-UAL pilots for not sharing the wealth...We need unity and this takes that card off the table for UCH to use and divide....Also any moneys profit sharing money not given to the L-CAL pilots goes right back to UCH not other employees...In other words the profit sharing pool is not diluted by including L-CAL pilots into the mix...This is the way it was explained to me by union reps...

757Driver

Not shooting the messenger but your post is confusing. Why would L-CAL ALPA give up any part of possible profit sharing to extend the T&PA? The T&PA basically provides protections for L-UAL Pilots that the L-CAL ones have already via the contract. Did you mean to say that the L-UAL Pilots will be giving up part of their profit sharing for an extension?

As for a MEC meeting, on the CAL side there isn't one scheduled and my Rep tells me they are nowhere near any type of agreement on this at all.

Regularguy

757Driver

It is my understanding right now LCAL will not get any profit sharing for 2011. Their agreement ended. This rumor is about getting it back.

As far as MEC meetings go it is also my understanding the LUAL MEC is meeting to hash this out next week (new incoming Chair and all) but since it is a side letter of agreement it would actually only require a signing by "Mr. Chairman" and not a full MEC meeting.

Look for coming info on this next week.

Regularguy

"Did you mean to say that the L-UAL Pilots will be giving up part of their profit sharing for an extension?"

No LUAL will not give up any profit sharing and the T&PA agreement items are about base openings and the expired stuff. Look it up.

SoCalGuy

I hear you brother.....It has the potential for a HUGE disaster all the way around.

As far as the rumored L-CAL $$Profit Sharing$$, I don't mean to come across as a prima donna when looking a "gifted horse in the mouth". My major point/concen is that there some pilots out there (I'm sure on both sides) that would take the $$ and not think twice about the additional months of negotiating this will buy Mgt as they kick the "JCBA can" down the road. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm preaching, the apathy of some amazes me.

If this rumor is found to be true, can't you almost hear Jeff saying:
"Is there something in this hand (Profit Sharing), that can make you forgot about what's in this other hand (JCBA)???"

757Driver

Understood and completely factual.

Might be true on the UAL side but not the CAL side. My Rep stated that the full MEC will be involved in any and all Profit Sharing type agreements. I don't believe the Chairman would be foolish enough to run with this without the rest of the MEC involved.

I'm still confused by your post. There is no reason for LCAL to agree to a reduced profit sharing to keep those 4 T&PA items intact. The clauses that can be retired at the end of the year are in place for the UAL Pilots only. There's two sides to those expiring items. Many at CAL would love to see new bases in ORD and DEN and an expansion at LAX. Those who have thought this out thoroughly, myself included, do not want to see any whipsawing at all and would prefer we keep a status quo.

The problem with your theory is that you think LCAL will agree to a reduced profit sharing to keep a T&PA in place that doesn't benefit them. I don't believe that will ever happen and am more inclined to believe that some of the sunsets will expire and some will stay via an agreement reached with LUAL ALPA.

APC225

Plus, the profit set aside through 3Q2011 already exceeds all of 2010. If 4Q2011 holds up, the profit sharing pool will be 20% more than last year. I don't know how the UAL contract is written, but this 20% should increase CAL pilots to about 4.5% of W2 because the TPA basically pulls the CAL pilots into the current plan for the rest of the CAL employees.

Regularguy

757Driver:

You are very typical of those who promote their positions on blogs.

You said this:

"There is no reason for LCAL to agree to a reduced profit sharing to keep those 4 T&PA items intact. The clauses that can be retired at the end of the year are in place for the UAL Pilots only. There's two sides to those expiring items. Many at CAL would love to see new bases in ORD and DEN and an expansion at LAX. Those who have thought this out thoroughly, myself included, do not want to see any whipsawing at all and would prefer we keep a status quo."

Since I NEVER MENTIONED anything about a "reduced profit sharing" for LCAL pilots you must know something I don't. Or you are trying to separate and cause discourse amongst LUAL and LCAL pilots in a quest for something (what that is I can only guess).

Please keep the post to what is presented and clarify your knowledge, if any, rather than posting facts and misquotes which aren't mentioned.

Personally here is what I believe will happen, reguardless of an extended T&PA, No contract until 2013 at the earliest. Yes I did say I believe there will not be a contract until 2013 at the earliest. So what does an extended T&PA do for the process? restrict any economic advantage of opening new pilot bases.

So there you have it and even if you don't want your profit sharing I'll bet others not only want it on the LCAL side but may even need it.

Oh and I am glad you "think things out" better than other, as you imply by your post.

Regularguy

757Driver:

Do I sense you are being a bit competitive over your fellow pilots at LUAL? Is there some alternative motivation here?

My only reason for posting this "rumor" is because I like the idea of LCAL pilots getting something they lost. After so many years at this and examining the current environment of stalled contracts, CEO letters (SWA & our Candian friends), any move forward should be taken when the opportunity asserts itself. Of course a qualification needs to made; never at the cost of the whole shebang.

APC225

+1. A contract with the full retro of $180k CA/$100k FO is what I'd really like to see this spring.