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01-25-2012 | 07:26 AM
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I'm not trying to be combative here, but even if the manpower planning guy was a legacy United guy, CAL is getting 19 new 737-900ERs and 6 787s this year, so the staffing is going up on that side. (at worst case neutral, but most likely a net gain)
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
01-25-2012 | 09:09 AM
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I'm not trying to be combative here, but even if the manpower planning guy was a legacy United guy, CAL is getting 19 new 737-900ERs and 6 787s this year, so the staffing is going up on that side. (at worst case neutral, but most likely a net gain)
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
If I was in charge of both I would side with the CO point of view. Just sucks that 70-100+ could have been recalled next month and opening those same positions at CO for furloughed UA pilots.
01-25-2012 | 09:19 AM
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Didn't see anything combative. Understand CO manpower's position. What it shows is the difference in how the 2 sides man their airline. UA for weather/sick and CO to man the airline for day to day flying.
If I was in charge of both I would side with the CO point of view. Just sucks that 70-100+ could have been recalled next month and opening those same positions at CO for furloughed UA pilots.
If I was in charge of both I would side with the CO point of view. Just sucks that 70-100+ could have been recalled next month and opening those same positions at CO for furloughed UA pilots.
01-25-2012 | 01:37 PM
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I look forward to seeing Jeff and the boys try to keep up with the huge amount of training to shuffle flying at the same time dealing wih the tsunami of retirements and pre retirement sick leave use kicks them I the sack.
Why the hell are the LCAs still volunteering to do that work with the state of the contract going nowhere?
Why the hell are the LCAs still volunteering to do that work with the state of the contract going nowhere?
01-25-2012 | 06:40 PM
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I look forward to seeing Jeff and the boys try to keep up with the huge amount of training to shuffle flying at the same time dealing wih the tsunami of retirements and pre retirement sick leave use kicks them I the sack.
Why the hell are the LCAs still volunteering to do that work with the state of the contract going nowhere?
Why the hell are the LCAs still volunteering to do that work with the state of the contract going nowhere?
01-26-2012 | 05:01 AM
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Good to hear. The company's need to reconfigure fleets/base might be just enough of a trigger to get this process jump started. They need not only a JCBA, but an ISL - and reasonably quickly IMHO, if they want to start moving the chess pieces around with minimal conflict.
My thinking also, and they can get the JCBA done sooner than later.
01-26-2012 | 08:06 AM
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I'm not trying to be combative here, but even if the manpower planning guy was a legacy United guy, CAL is getting 19 new 737-900ERs and 6 787s this year, so the staffing is going up on that side. (at worst case neutral, but most likely a net gain)
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
However the legacy United side isn't getting any new aircraft. They haven't announced how many aircraft they are sending to the boneyard yet for 2012. I imagine we'll probably see that data tomorrow during the earnings report.
I imagine we'll see some 737-500s and 767-200s on the CAL side get sold or parked this year, but overall some growth on the CAL side(We'll see how much. On the UAL side, we'll probably see 1 or 2 747s parked, to produce an overall decrease, albeit minor.
01-26-2012 | 08:20 AM
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The rumor on the UAL side is between 15-20 757's parked. So far I believe 3 are gone (one in shiny brand-new paint). Of course, the company does that ever so quietly. Nice way for them to keep the JCBA stretched out without having to generate more training events. Just keep shrinking the UAL side at about the same rate of attrition and you don't have to recall anybody! Genius!
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01-26-2012 | 09:29 AM
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The 2012 fleet plan shows different numbers....5 RJs and 5 B767-200...
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It also shows 5 757s. I doubt they are L-CAL's.
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