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watching6 02-08-2012 03:46 AM

If I were you I'd go to law school get your degree get hired by an airline, proceed to take everything from the pilot's that we and your father enjoy(ed). That plan would have more vertical movement than where we sit today. Once you get to mid-level management. Then, you can tell those who care to correct your grammar that they don't mean squat. You see, there is a group everywhere you go that enjoy kicking a new guy and forget where they came from. Good Luck, no sarcasm intended. This job is not what it used to be for us or those before us. I'm afraid to say it will probably get worse. Our unions tell us they are working to make improvements, maybe. The problem is the Railway Labor Act (RLA) has removed all of the teeth of our bite. The last strike by a major airline lasted one day when it was cancelled by presidential order. Our union loves the RLA, without it we don't need them. You get a far better shake in the courts than by any arbitrator. It's almost impossible to get to court in our business because of the RLA and the company’s ability to pre-empt.

RedeyeAV8r 02-08-2012 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by watching6 (Post 1131119)
. That plan would have more vertical movement than where we sit today. Once you get to mid-level management. The last strike by a major airline lasted one day when it was cancelled by presidential order. Our union loves the RLA, without it we don't need them. You get a far better shake in the courts than by any arbitrator. It's almost impossible to get to court in our business because of the RLA and the company’s ability to pre-empt.

Don't Disagree with you on most of your points but.....facts are facts

American Pilots in 1997 They were also APA not ALPA see a Trend?
UPS Pilot sympathy Strike in 1997. (Symapthy with Teamsters)
NWA Pilot Strike In 1998. ALPA
Comm Air Pilots in 2001. ALPA
Polar Pilot strike in 2005 ALPA
Spirit Pilot Strike in 2010. ALPA

uaav8r 02-08-2012 04:17 AM

J.C. guys, cut the kid some slack! Every one of us was in his position at one time or another. If flying for United is his passion let him follow it. I've been here 14 years and yes, it has certainly had it sucky times (like the last 10 yrs!). But like this fellow, I too was an airline kid. It's kinda in your blood. Dad was a Braniff pilot off and on for over 20 years. I say off and on because he was laid off 4 separate times. Hell I bet this kid understands how crap works better than some of you. So you know what? Save the negative crap for your current "co-workers". Good luck kid.

HotMamaPilot 02-08-2012 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by watching6 (Post 1131119)
If I were you I'd go to law school get your degree get hired by an airline, proceed to take everything from the pilot's that we and your father enjoy(ed). That plan would have more vertical movement than where we sit today. Once you get to mid-level management. Then, you can tell those who care to correct your grammar that they don't mean squat. You see, there is a group everywhere you go that enjoy kicking a new guy and forget where they came from. Good Luck, no sarcasm intended. This job is not what it used to be for us or those before us. I'm afraid to say it will probably get worse. Our unions tell us they are working to make improvements, maybe. The problem is the Railway Labor Act (RLA) has removed all of the teeth of our bite. The last strike by a major airline lasted one day when it was cancelled by presidential order. Our union loves the RLA, without it we don't need them. You get a far better shake in the courts than by any arbitrator. It's almost impossible to get to court in our business because of the RLA and the company’s ability to pre-empt.

Lol, wow. Strange post. Filled with factual errors. Where do you get your facts?

Adlerdriver 02-08-2012 04:28 AM

Reality check?
 
Just because my Dad was an auto worker for Chysler in the '60s doesn't mean I would be be packing my bags for Detroit right now.

If he STILL was working there and I was too stupid to figure out on my own it wasn't a good plan to follow in his footsteps, I'd hope he would have the decency to kick my @ss.

HercDriver130 02-08-2012 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1131115)
Reading your posts, I can't help but think that you are counting your chickens before they hatch. You act as if the job is already yours. Do they no longer interview candidates? I'm assuming you just throw in an application and a UAL id and training packet comes in the mail two weeks later? This is what I call entitlement. Pay your dues. You're a regional fo; you have a long way to go. Who knows, maybe they will hire you someday, but maybe they won't. Stop writing as if the job is a guarantee. Furthermore, I hope that you would proofread your application and resume' a little more than you do your posts (grammatical errors). And as far as being the kid of a ual pilot; I was one too. It don't mean squat.

It DOESN'T mean ****.... you might want to read what you write as well.

XHooker 02-08-2012 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1131047)
I'v been reading the threads in here with great enthusiasm and I am glad to hear that some of you are coming back to work. I feel for all of you as my dad is a pilot for UA, and though never furloughed, I have seen and personally felt what all 7500 of you have gone through.

I have wanted to fly for UA since I could talk and I am on my way to pursuing that dream but I don't want to do it in the wrong manner.

My question is when all of you have had the opportunity to be a "New hire" at CO and they start hiring off of the streets will the off the street new hires be looked down on?

I refuse to be a scab and I rufuse to take another pilots job for the simple reason of my dad would throw me into a volcano. I know its a ways away but I will not apply if it means taking another pilots job.

I have been wondering about this and I get asked this question alot by the people I fly with so any answers would be appreciated.

Here go a few answers: First... don't get caught up in the "ever since I was a child it was my dream to fly for _______ Airlines." Interview with everyone, then take the offer from what you think is the best company based on their financial outlook. In all likelihood, you'll then spend the rest of your career realizing you made the wrong decision.

Second... you most definitely won't be considered a scab if you go to UAL under the circumstances you describe and won't be looked down upon any more than some of the jackasses at UAL and CAL already look down on each other. In some respects, you might generally be treated better because you'll be starting with a clean slate. Remember, there'll be furloughed UAL pilots who bypass recall being inserted above you for some time after you're hired. Probably not a huge deal because many of those bypassing probably won't come back and it'll be less than a year's worth of seniority, but it's still worth considering.

HotMamaPilot 02-08-2012 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 1131136)
It DOESN'T mean ****.... you might want to read what you write as well.

No, I re-read everything; thank you! Used in this context, "don't" works just as well. I would use it again and will! Thanks mr. grammar!

watching6 02-08-2012 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1131127)
Don't Disagree with you on most of your points but.....facts are facts

American Pilots in 1997 They were also APA not ALPA see a Trend?
UPS Pilot sympathy Strike in 1997. (Symapthy with Teamsters)
NWA Pilot Strike In 1998. ALPA
Comm Air Pilots in 2001. ALPA
Polar Pilot strike in 2005 ALPA
Spirit Pilot Strike in 2010. ALPA

Redeye, I guess I should stand corrected on one of those facts. I did say "major". I was referring to the AA strike that was cancelled by the President some years back, If that was not the 1997 strike I'll stand corrected. As for NWA you are correct! I did not consider UPS a "major" airline in 1997, not to say their pilots were not of "major" caliber, they were and are. The rest of the airlines you quote I would not consider to be "majors" either (again, no reflecton on the pilots, just the airline size). To counter the ALPA trend reference, I would bring up TWA pilots DFR complaint, UALs retired suit, CAL retired pilots that were told by CAL and ALPA they were cleared to go to court to contest the System Boards rejection of their claim only to be told by the 5th circuit, CAL and ALPA had no right to infer that recourse because it was not legal.
These are just my opinions, not to be construed as fact, but I always have an open mind. ( not to be construed as being blonde)

socalflyboy 02-08-2012 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1131115)
Reading your posts, I can't help but think that you are counting your chickens before they hatch. You act as if the job is already yours. Do they no longer interview candidates? I'm assuming you just throw in an application and a UAL id and training packet comes in the mail two weeks later? This is what I call entitlement. Pay your dues. You're a regional fo; you have a long way to go. Who knows, maybe they will hire you someday, but maybe they won't. Stop writing as if the job is a guarantee. Furthermore, I hope that you would proofread your application and resume' a little more than you do your posts (grammatical errors). And as far as being the kid of a ual pilot; I was one too. It don't mean squat.

Lighten Up Francis!!


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