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bigfatdaddy 02-09-2012 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1131047)
I'v been reading the threads in here with great enthusiasm and I am glad to hear that some of you are coming back to work. I feel for all of you as my dad is a pilot for UA, and though never furloughed, I have seen and personally felt what all 7500 of you have gone through.

I have wanted to fly for UA since I could talk and I am on my way to pursuing that dream but I don't want to do it in the wrong manner.

My question is when all of you have had the opportunity to be a "New hire" at CO and they start hiring off of the streets will the off the street new hires be looked down on?

I refuse to be a scab and I rufuse to take another pilots job and bring shame and disgrace upon my family and myself, also, my dad would throw me into a volcano. I know its a ways away but I will not apply if it means taking another pilots job.

I have been wondering about this and I get asked this question alot by the people I fly with so any answers would be appreciated.


Many of us will bypass (about 7-1) so the door is open for any and all once the list is exhausted. Word of warning though - this outfit has a historical penchant for abusing it's labor so don't put all your eggs in one basket

BFD - former LUAL A320 FO (Not coming back ;( )

Tony Nelson 02-09-2012 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 1131849)
Many of us will bypass (about 7-1) so the door is open for any and all once the list is exhausted. Word of warning though - this outfit has a historical penchant for abusing it's labor so don't put all your eggs in one basket

BFD - former LUAL A320 FO (Not coming back ;( )

BFD,
Are you flying elsewhere?

Airhoss 02-09-2012 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1131115)
Reading your posts, I can't help but think that you are counting your chickens before they hatch. You act as if the job is already yours. Do they no longer interview candidates? I'm assuming you just throw in an application and a UAL id and training packet comes in the mail two weeks later? This is what I call entitlement. Pay your dues. You're a regional fo; you have a long way to go. Who knows, maybe they will hire you someday, but maybe they won't. Stop writing as if the job is a guarantee. Furthermore, I hope that you would proofread your application and resume' a little more than you do your posts (grammatical errors). And as far as being the kid of a ual pilot; I was one too. It don't mean squat.

Award for the most ignorant, mean spirited and negative post of the year?

fireman0174 02-09-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by cgull (Post 1131836)
All those jobs were given away by each and every pilot group that did not have the balls to stand up to management and say no to scope degradation. Additionally, the President of ALPA National has signed every one of those contracts by the likes of DAL, UAL, NWA etc effectively creating a "B-Scale" within the pilot profession. The Majors have given away those jobs, they were not taken.

Craig
UAL
DCAFO

You are so correct. I can remember many an MEC member saying they wanted the big iron and let someone else fly those toy airplanes.

catan 02-09-2012 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 1132113)
You are so correct. I can remember many an MEC member saying they wanted the big iron and let someone else fly those toy airplanes.


Stong infomation! Would you care to give name and approximate dates these guys said that? Not true, is it?

EZBW 02-10-2012 06:53 AM

How many times are you allowed to bypass before they hire off the street?

Andy 02-10-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by EZBW (Post 1132586)
How many times are you allowed to bypass before they hire off the street?

You're allowed one bypass. After that, you have to actively contact LCAL in order to get a class date. If you accept a class date after bypassing and then turn down that class date, you will not be offered another opportunity to work at LCAL.
Assuming no major change in the hiring landscape, LCAL should be hiring off the street no later than early November.

jsled 02-10-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by catan (Post 1132400)
Stong infomation! Would you care to give name and approximate dates these guys said that? Not true, is it?

MEC Chairman Mike Glawe, circa 1997. Something to the effect..."you want to buy RJs or 747-400s?" You can't make this stuff up. I will say, however, that there was never an offer on the table from UAL to "buy and fly" RJs. A no vote on the 1997 RJ exception letter MIGHT have forced UAL to buy and fly, but that is uncertain. Some guys on the line believe that there was some kind of "buy and fly" offer on the table. That is just not true. Kinda like the guys that think Whiteford gave away all 70 seaters with a side letter. Again, just not true. We voted in the 70 seaters in 2003 under the duress of bankruptcy. Whiteford signed a letter that included the EMB-170 into the approved 70 seaters.

Sled

FurloughedX2 02-10-2012 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1131459)
MasterOfPuppets, I'm one of the 844/2172/1437. You will NOT be looked down on or considered a scab by any of us.
If you look at all of the airlines, United has the highest percentage of retirees over the next decade. We have more than 3% of the combined list retiring every year for more than a decade. If you can get on the leading edge of hiring this cycle, I think that you will have a great career. Keep in mind that I've been labeled as an Eeyore on this website for being negative.
Best of luck to you.

Andy,
I know what a 2172 and 1437 is......but what is the 844? And, by the way, you have every right to be an Eeyore.
FX2

Andy 02-10-2012 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by FurloughedX2 (Post 1133097)
Andy,
I know what a 2172 and 1437 is......but what is the 844? And, by the way, you have every right to be an Eeyore.
FX2

844 is the 'original' number of UAL pilots furloughed prior to resolution of the no-furlough clause. The total number furloughed prior to end of Mar 2002 was 844. I was in the last group of 'quick' furloughs after 9/11; I think I was furloughed on 2 Mar 2002. After that, there was a very long pause prior to the next round of furloughs - I think greater than 15 months.


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