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02-08-2012 | 02:28 PM
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You (UAL) had hundreds of 737NG's that were parked? We parked our old 737's too. I guess since I got displaced from the left seat of the 737 and the right seat of the 777, that was for the merger too? Oh, please feel sorry for me. I have suffered for the merger. 
02-08-2012 | 02:59 PM
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I'm furloughed LUAL and like you never wanted to UAL to merge with CAL. If CAL is your love...keep yourself in Cleveland or Newark or Guam! We lost 2 planes and crews in 9/11 and faced cuts much deeper than CAL endured. I doubt the arbitrators will see things quite as you hope, but ask an AA pilot how that gloating is working for him now...if you don't see the farce / screw job of being told we are cutting so many planes because the 737 is not fuel efficient only to see the routes now being flown with the same model CAL737s..you are deserving of some lessons in Karma, Good luck ect.....
02-08-2012 | 03:01 PM
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You are benefitting from management's pitting 2 pilot groups against eachother since merger negociations began long ago and you are gloating too?
Everyone in the industry felt displacement pain and some small furloughs, but not acknowledging the hugely disproportionate slashing on one side clearly to facilitate the merger that we will all benefit from one day is unreasonable. If we had no recall rights, I would agree that we had zero career expectations but that is not the case as we do have 10 year recall rights. No UAL furloughee I know wants sympathy but simply to be treated fairly. I bet your ideas of fair are far from the arbitrators.
02-08-2012 | 03:07 PM
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Facts do matter. We are not flying your routes with the same model 737s. We got rid of the 300s years before the merger and now only have a handfull of 500s. Just lke you, when fuel hit $150' we parked birds and furloughed. The difference is, according to the past MEC chair, UA mgt had no replacement aircraft, and hence your continued furlough. No one is gloating and understand that every major has or will hit bottom, but tired of these off the wall theories that are without any factual footing...
"your company sucks...I caught the cycle...you didn't" Yeah, whatever you say..you're right no one is gloating. Complete denial!
02-08-2012 | 03:26 PM
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Splitting hairs, or not......
L-CAL presently has "roughly" 250 B737's with more NG's arriving this year into next. Of the roughly 250, there is only 27 "500's", and that number is set to shrink.
If "10-ish%" of CAL's biggest A/C Fleet is not considered a "handful", don't know what is.
L-CAL presently has "roughly" 250 B737's with more NG's arriving this year into next. Of the roughly 250, there is only 27 "500's", and that number is set to shrink.
If "10-ish%" of CAL's biggest A/C Fleet is not considered a "handful", don't know what is.
02-08-2012 | 03:31 PM
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Rather than address one specific post, I'll address the issue. CAL was a smaller company in early 2010, pre-merger than it was in 2008 when everyone began downsizing. We furloughed as well. The reason UAL furloughed disproportionally more is summed up in one word... scope. The domestic flying didn't go to CAL... it went to your regional partners. Those routes we're flying at CAL that used to be UAL are only being flown because we dropped other routes ourselves. Please don't take my word for it, check the companies respective 10K filings from the timeframe in question. Pay particular attention to the drop in UAL mainline domestic flying and corresponding increase in your regional partners flying... it's all there in black and white. Maybe the "CAL stole our flying" myth will finally begin to die.
02-08-2012 | 03:34 PM
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From: EWR B737FO
Get a grip man...that quote above is not mine. I hope you get recalled soon, if that's your focus, but need to check your attitude at the door. Again the facts..We have 27 500s out of a fleet of 238 737s. Rest are all NGs...
02-08-2012 | 03:48 PM
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UAL furloughees are well aware of the slight increase in express flying...but it did not come close to picking business up for the 45% cut in our 250 AC NB fleet. Our entire 737 fleet wiped out, so yes, I will split hairs as 27 UAL 500s would have saved about 350 UAL pilot jobs...splitting hairs may not matter that much if your getting the upper hand with the complany, but it does to us. The increase in express flying worked our well for Jeff as a stop gap to CAL's codeshare and saving the day NGs.
I don't call it "stealing flying"...I just call it screwjob business. Didn't work out well for my fellow 1400+ furloughees but glad not every company sacrifices their bottom fifth.
I don't call it "stealing flying"...I just call it screwjob business. Didn't work out well for my fellow 1400+ furloughees but glad not every company sacrifices their bottom fifth.
02-08-2012 | 03:53 PM
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You're quote was "no one was gloating"....just pointing our that you are wrong...check Rocketiii's post! Save the advice, my attitude is just fine for the situation. That's fine if you want to downplay 27 500s as insignificant...well if you were furloughed, you might have a different view.
02-08-2012 | 04:04 PM
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BACK to the Original POST.......Found the article that pertains to the magazine's cover.
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Making the World's Largest Airline Fly - Businessweek
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Making the World's Largest Airline Fly - Businessweek
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