Originally Posted by Once United

I've started to guestion your decision making at this point. I don't think I've ever known anybody to take CAL over DAL. Not logical! Sorry, CAL was never a top tier airline even with GB there, but you keep spinning it.

Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot

Yeah.............the REAL airline that took your pensions, gave a lot of flying
to RJ's, parked all your B737 and furloughed over 1400 pilots, has several over 80 year old FA's (and planes from the looks of it), and an EX CEO that gets over $600,000 a year in pay to not even work there anymore! You mean THAT REAL AIRLINE? I'd rather be at CAL to be perfectly honest. When GB and GB were here, it was the place to be. Unfortunately, that has gone down hill RAPIDLY under new management, and with the introduction of our new dance partner, it's gotten even worse. Sorry............even turned down DAL to come here as did several other guys I know. Now it's not looking like such a great decision, but it's one I'll live with for a few more years...... Oh, and the couple of UAL guys I've flown with have been great guys to fly with and other than crappy schedules, are HAPPY to be back flying again.

Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster

I'm guessing you're just fantasizing right now .. like, wow, I'm a real airline pilot, not some shill working for a third tier airline like CAL. I'm guessing that FEDEX and UPS were nipping at your heels to come interview too . Go back to your helicopters , this job is for real aviators You got hired by a regional/commuter that aspires (and fails) to be a world class airline. Have another GB cheeseburger.

Originally Posted by 13n144e

See my previous post. This is exactly the kind of thing I was referring to when I said no one here has room to brag. And for the record, I had a class date at Delta that overlapped my class date at CAL. Never regretted my decision to stay at CAL until this merger reared it's head.

Originally Posted by Once United

My original comments will do - even with your excuses it doesn't float. Did DAL really offer you a job with a class date a year to a year and a half down the road. Don't tell stories now! To many guys on the forum know how it works. You said enough for me not to respond - Fire away -I'm Done!

Originally Posted by 13n144e

Exactly. My comments on "new hires" were only in response to a suggestion that CAL pilots needed returning furloughees to "educate" us on getting a real contract. We don't need "educating" from furloughees or anyone else. We're keenly aware our work rules suck. We're also aware L-UAL's scope sucks. Collectively we need to change these things, but of course my comments emphasizing this were ignored and, instead the last two pages pages of this thread focused indignation on some non-existent, perceived slight against furloughees and sparked more spectacularly stupid debate on whose airline sucks the least. Face it folks, we both suck. Neither pilot group should feel anything but a sense of collective shame for allowing the state of our careers to sink so low. Certainly, no one here has anything to brag about. Not having personally experienced UAL history, I wouldn't dream of "educating" a UAL pilot on unionism. As a CAL pilot, I certainly don't expect, or accept it from UAL.

Originally Posted by Andy

Excellent post. I'm still in training but have had more than a couple of conversations with LCAL line pilots. LCAL pilots know that the concessionary contract they work under is a POS in terms of work rules.

Originally Posted by 13n144e

Yes. I always appreciate "constructive criticism" from new hires. Always goes over really big. That said, if we insist on nothing less than L-CAL scope and L-UAL + work rules, we're off to a pretty good start. I've heard they're negotiating UAL 90-seat pay rates. No word about 70-seat, but it doesn't bode well...