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05-04-2012, 10:47 AM
#11
Keep Calm Chive ON
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
Posts: 2,086
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
This letter came from the below the radar meeting that Moak brokered. The letter was released through the standard AMES system out of herndon, to all CAL and UAL pilots who have signed up for those blastmails.
If you look at the TIME STAMPS on my first vs second post, you may notice the almost 30 min lag.....Thus my question in the first post. If you read the thread following my first post, you may notice that I was NOT the only one with an ISP lag in receiving it. Again, "Trust, but Verify".
As far is it being a 'brokered' meeting, NO doubt. Anyone who has followed this train wreck over the last few weeks would be 'deaf/blind' as to NOT notice all the under-tones of "come out of the room smiling". I be honest, I don't care if it was "begged, brokered, stole"....just as long as this three-way triangle becomes a "Mono y Mono"....US vs THEM (Mgt).....like NOW.
05-04-2012, 10:55 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 400
As much as I desire to move forward and I'm sure we will eventually as unified pilot groups, can't help but voice my frustration over how little has been accomplished towards this contract.
It's clear while many sections have been finished, the hardest fought and most problematic areas have not been touched or even discussed much against the portrayal certains figures have made about progress and achievement.
While scheduling and hours are a complex and critical part, by far the meat intended to fight over is outsourcing, JVs and scope as well as pay.
It's seems these have not even been discussed? Scope alone dictates the futures of several work groups. Perhaps I'm pessimistic but how are they to close that gap in such a short time?
Maybe others have more confident positions to speak from.
It's clear while many sections have been finished, the hardest fought and most problematic areas have not been touched or even discussed much against the portrayal certains figures have made about progress and achievement.
While scheduling and hours are a complex and critical part, by far the meat intended to fight over is outsourcing, JVs and scope as well as pay.
It's seems these have not even been discussed? Scope alone dictates the futures of several work groups. Perhaps I'm pessimistic but how are they to close that gap in such a short time?
Maybe others have more confident positions to speak from.
05-04-2012, 11:42 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: A-320 Capt
Posts: 270
I'm cautiously optimistic, but I also suspect that the company is trying the tactic of trying to show a little light at the end of the tunnel, then withdrawing in an effort to wear us down and dump our spirits.
So, I got one word: SHOWMETHEMONEYSCOPEWORKRULESBENEFITS
C/B
T/W
So, I got one word: SHOWMETHEMONEYSCOPEWORKRULESBENEFITS
C/B
T/W
05-04-2012, 12:04 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 225
Originally Posted by Freight Dawg
Blah, Blah, Blah.....Heard this before. Doesn't mean chit without a line in sand. Very disappointed with Moak and Peirce.
05-04-2012, 01:25 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 786
Originally Posted by throttleweenie
I'm cautiously optimistic...light at the end of the tunnel
Not me... If this summer slips through our fingers, our leverage is gone. I want to see pre determined accomplishment goals and specific gates.
Just like our training department suggests pilots use "gates" for criteria measurement points to consider the continuation of an approach, where when specifics are not met at the gate, a go-around is initiated, if our goals are not being met at gates of measure, we immediately return to seeking release.
05-04-2012, 01:47 PM
#17
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Joined APC: May 2012
Position: Guppy Capt
Posts: 151
Originally Posted by Once United
What about the POS Heppner?.......Maybe it's time for another recall?
Recall?!?!? How many times does it take? Glawe, Morse, etc. Even Dubinsky gave us a chit sandwich wrapped in $$$. C2000 was simply RJ's in exchange for cash. Hey guys, how did that work out? If anything, it's time for a new union. ALPA National sold us down the river after 9/11, in bankruptcy, etc. When was the last time National backed UAL pilots? I say it's time to stop giving them what little cash we have left.
05-04-2012, 01:53 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 467
Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
????
Not me... If this summer slips through our fingers, our leverage is gone. I want to see pre determined accomplishment goals and specific gates.
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Not me... If this summer slips through our fingers, our leverage is gone. I want to see pre determined accomplishment goals and specific gates.
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We have 3 gates left this year.
1. July 4
2. Nov 27th
3. Dec 25th
05-04-2012, 01:59 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,253
Well I'll get murdered for this, but why don't we see what this circus of morons can pull off by this mid June deadline they have so loudly given themselves. Yes I know this management team is as nasty as Goldman Sachs, but being negative hasn't done a thing for us in the last two years. This is the final straw for me on the JP 'steady progress' garbage. If they fail this one then it is time put rubber to road when it comes to throwing out every rep standing in JP's shadow.
Que Dexim/Once United...
Que Dexim/Once United...
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