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05-06-2012 | 05:33 AM
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We have a disfunctional leadership on both sides and a clown in LM at ALPA National worried about his own position above all else - you want me to be quite and get out of the way - I don't think so!
Don't try to make this personal. I want a good contract and will follow the person that can lead us to that end. You may want to start watching over your shoulder, it's possible that LM and JP have put a plan in place to get the CAL contract re-negotiated and then imposed on the UAL side. Remember they did this to NWA. June 15 gives JP and Jeff more than enough time to get it done.
Don't try to make this personal. I want a good contract and will follow the person that can lead us to that end. You may want to start watching over your shoulder, it's possible that LM and JP have put a plan in place to get the CAL contract re-negotiated and then imposed on the UAL side. Remember they did this to NWA. June 15 gives JP and Jeff more than enough time to get it done.
Meanwhile, what have you guys done?
I'll take being "thrown under that bus" any day.
05-06-2012 | 06:09 AM
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LM a clown? He led the DAL/NWA MEC through a merger, and as a result those NWA guys that you allege he hosed, are sitting with pay rates 26% higher today than they had at the time of the merger. Plus 6% more DC. 32% raise in compensation in 4 years. And if DAL MEC Chairman TO's letter is to be believed, its about to soon go higher still.
Meanwhile, what have you guys done?
I'll take being "thrown under that bus" any day.
Meanwhile, what have you guys done?
I'll take being "thrown under that bus" any day.
Congratulations on the pay raises - you guys have always had a better relationship with management and it wasn't due to LM!
05-06-2012 | 06:25 AM
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Once United:
Your posts are starting to look like that Neil Swindells guy over at the private blog. If you are you're one of those guys who is never pleased and the cup is never even half full.
Please treat othesr in the sand box a little better.
Your posts are starting to look like that Neil Swindells guy over at the private blog. If you are you're one of those guys who is never pleased and the cup is never even half full.
Please treat othesr in the sand box a little better.
05-06-2012 | 06:40 AM
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Different company! If the Delta management had wanted to work/move in the direction that United management has taken - even your Delta buddies would have been hosed. Don't come on the forum and try to sell LM when the biggest effort to get ride of ALPA and LM is coming from the Delta side.
Congratulations on the pay raises - you guys have always had a better relationship with management and it wasn't due to LM!
Congratulations on the pay raises - you guys have always had a better relationship with management and it wasn't due to LM!
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
05-06-2012 | 06:49 AM
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I'm sure you've heard the old adage:
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
05-06-2012 | 08:31 AM
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I'm sure you've heard the old adage:
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
05-06-2012 | 09:27 AM
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Congratulations on the pay raises - Guess you missed that. The "proactive engagement" your boy LM used at DAL was more a gun to the head of the NWA guys. Guess you could say he was working for management against the NWA guys. Is that what you are encouraging the UAL pilots to accept. The UAL pilots will not go for LM and JP trying sign and force the CAL contract on the UAL pilots. As I recall didn't the DAL MEC tell the NWA MEC to take it or go away!
Meanwhile, you guys keep the chest thumping going; the Delta MEC is going to continue its work to restore the pay and working conditions of the industry.
05-06-2012 | 10:15 AM
#58
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I'm sure you've heard the old adage:
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
"Every management gets the union they deserve"
The inverse is true as well.
Lee initiated the "proactive engagement" philosophy, and many of the radicals at Delta are still whining about it. But no one can dispute the dividends that that strategy has produced for all, including those whiners...
Our previous MEC chairwoman initiated the "proactive engagement" (her exact words BTW) philosophy as well. Umm, did not work.
The company took our engagement, lied to us, took advantage, and is in the process of screwing us on a daily basis. Why do we not have a contract under the proactive engagement philosophy? It is worthless in the Smisek regime; which you apparently know nothing about... wanna trade CEOs?Didn't think so.
05-06-2012 | 11:48 AM
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I see old Stepford Airlines has entered the fray, that ought to clear things up.
Seriously, you have them where you want them now, relax, take a deep breath and fly the airplane.
There will be plenty of time later to distinguish the heroes from the hamburger.
Seriously, you have them where you want them now, relax, take a deep breath and fly the airplane.
There will be plenty of time later to distinguish the heroes from the hamburger.
05-06-2012 | 12:01 PM
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To quote Smizek..."you guys did not sacrifice enough."
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