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I have read the TPA a few times.. and the problem is, I'm not a lawyer and am confused with what Section 4-C. Aircraft, states.
On one hand, it points to Exhibit A with regards to current aircraft, ordered aircraft AND options of aircraft.
The 73-9's fall under the sCAL Option Category!
Then there is also subpart iii, which lists what aircraft each side flies with regards to adding aircraft not previously listed.. if they are replacement aircraft.

SO, you have 737 options on the sCAL side that are also being touted as sUAL 75-2 replacements.
A can of worms~

Oh, and you are right.. Jeffrey kind of makes the point that we will be separate for the foreseeable future.

Motch

 

Mike, on the CAL Side, we put out our C08 Proposal a few years back which HAD 73NG's banded with the 75-2's. Our side saw that the 75-2's would be replaced eventually with big 73's.
for 1 Jan 13, the 12 yr payscales were $219.04/149.50.
On the Delta side, -
for 1 Jan 13, 73's pay $205.53/140.38 and
for 1 Jan 13 75's pay $213.22/145.63!

So, you see.. the idea of pay banding isn't bad IF it's forwards looking. I expect any JCBA to payband these aircraft together as the 73NG's and Max are a direct 75-2 replacement.

As someone else stated, the new NG's and especially the Max will be more fuel efficient AND result in greater profits than the planes they are replacing. Some of those profit can and SHOULD end up in the pilots wallets.

Just my opinion.
Motch

PS> SouthWest pays $216/151!!

 

Otto:

While the length/cross-section are the same, the difference is from the cockpit door forward.

I wouldn't want to jumpseat in a 737. 757, I could just about take a nap on the floor. Lots of room for roller-bags.

I've never flown either airplane, but jumping, I would say the 757 is quieter for the guys up-front.

By accounts I've read here, the 757 significantly outperforms the stretch Guppy in climb and load-capacity at hot/high airfields (supposedly why UCH is putting the A-320 into South America).

Neither airplane is a joy to load as a passenger, but with the mid-fuselage door on the 757, if you were going forward, the unpleasantries ended sooner. I have ridden in the last row of an -800, and could not WAIT to get off the airplane.

 

Does anyone know the cargo capacity difference between a 757-200 and a 737-900?

 

Hoo-boy, the pay banding argument that just won't go away!

Why pay higher rates for the small fleet that's likely to go away sooner rather than later (along with the higher rate), than to include as many planes as possible in the highest pay category?

Seems like pandering to a small group of super senior pilots!

 

As long as we aren't getting the french plastic lawn mower. That thing clunks more than a 72 gremlin. We need MD-11's. Now there is a quiet cockpit.

 

You left out the block hour ratio part of the TPA. Im sure that will enter the discussion as well

 

I've flown both and the 757 is superior in every way. The 737 makes more money and is the only choice from Boeing now.

Performance: I just used 10,000' of runway on a transcontinental flight. Picture a 757 operating on one engine and that's about the 737-900.

 

FWIW.....I've never JS/Walked up front on a L-UA B757, so I ask this myth to verified. I've 'heard' that B757 Flt Dk's at L-UA have carpeted floors? The L-CO B757-200/300 are w/o carpet. If the above holds 100% true, that alone makes a HUGE difference when comparing the noise level on the two fleets/B757's, L-UA v L-CO. The flight deck noise/fatigue has to be different when comparing the two (carpeted vs none) environments on any appreciable leg/distance.

Having never flown the Airbus, I've only heard the exact same thing about the Bus out performing the B737 when looking at cargo lift.....Thus using the Bus out of IAH for Central/Northside South America routes/destinations.

You think the last row on the B737-800/900 is "bad"?? Try yourself with a non-rev, center seat in the last row of a B757-300!! The "RJ-Cabin" on the -300 requires an additional area-code when dialing the aft galley. The "RJ Cabin" (rear section/cabin) also serves as 'good times' for all those pax's seated back there on bumpy flying days! Blue Bag's galore with all the cabin flex/'wag'

 

Nasty. Sounds like an expose for John Stossel and a florescent black light.