AIP for review?
08-26-2012, 05:12 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Lerxst
And lotsa retro hay for said pony!
Don't feel so bad though. Barnyard Master Lee will definitely be waiting at the corral gates with his open feed bag to take his cut. He has to feed the angry pasture horses at TWA and fend off the Airtran geldings.
The rest is left up to the two Jays, the field bosses. They and their mec wranglers will decide how to distribute the hay to the ponies. They have experience on their side.
08-26-2012, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Sorry but, no "retro hay" for you! Mister Jeff says it has to be a signing bonus due to B/C fund contributions and tax implications. Anyone who has retired between the amendable date and signing date will be left only to graze on the seeds they have sewn. No money for them.
Don't feel so bad though. Barnyard Master Lee will definitely be waiting at the corral gates with his open feed bag to take his cut. He has to feed the angry pasture horses at TWA and fend off the Airtran geldings.
The rest is left up to the two Jays, the field bosses. They and their mec wranglers will decide how to distribute the hay to the ponies. They have experience on their side.
Don't feel so bad though. Barnyard Master Lee will definitely be waiting at the corral gates with his open feed bag to take his cut. He has to feed the angry pasture horses at TWA and fend off the Airtran geldings.
The rest is left up to the two Jays, the field bosses. They and their mec wranglers will decide how to distribute the hay to the ponies. They have experience on their side.
08-26-2012, 06:23 AM
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I know of some. Whether it's 12 or 1200, it's the principle of the matter. What if this agreement is rejected? I highly doubt it will since I think this group would vote for Ron Jeremy as homecoming queen. If it is rejected, it won't be just 12 in front of you losing out.
If that doesn't concern you, the b/c fund contribution aspect should. I'd say you are short anywhere from $50-75k on that alone.
If that doesn't concern you, the b/c fund contribution aspect should. I'd say you are short anywhere from $50-75k on that alone.
08-26-2012, 10:20 AM
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JCBA Language Status
Section
Status
Language Status
Section 1 - Scope
Pending*
Draft complete except for pending items
Section 2 - Definitions
TBD
Initial Drafting
Section 3 - Compensation
Pending*
Initial Drafting
Section 4 - Expenses, Lodging, Transportation
Pending*
Draft in progress
Section 5 - Hours of Service
Pending*
Working Draft, in revision
Section 6 - Seniority
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 7 - RIF
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 8 - Filling of Vacancies
AIP
Initial Drafting
Section 9 - Training
AIP
Initial Drafting
Section 10 - Moving
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 11 - Vacation
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 12 - Leaves of Absence
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 13 - Sick Leave
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 14 - Physical Exams
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 15 - Worker's Comp
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 16 - Missing
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 17 - Grievances
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 18 - System Board
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 19 - Safety
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 20 - Allocation, Assignment, and Scheduling
Pending*
Working Draft, in revision
Section 21 - General
Pending*
Initial Drafting
Section 22 - Instructors
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 23 - Retirement
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 24 - Insurance
Pending*
Draft in progress
Section 25 - Duration
AIP
Initial Drafting
LOA - GUAM
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
LOA Proposal
Pending*
Initial Drafting
JCBA Implementation LOA
TBD
Compensation and Scope are pending!
Doesn't sound like much of an AIP... I will believe it when I see it... This all seems like a political stunt for the election... bide your time so Obummer admin would not have to make a tough call to screw pilots at election time!
How can you announce an AIP when two of the most critical sections are "Pending"? Why?
Section
Status
Language Status
Section 1 - Scope
Pending*
Draft complete except for pending items
Section 2 - Definitions
TBD
Initial Drafting
Section 3 - Compensation
Pending*
Initial Drafting
Section 4 - Expenses, Lodging, Transportation
Pending*
Draft in progress
Section 5 - Hours of Service
Pending*
Working Draft, in revision
Section 6 - Seniority
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 7 - RIF
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 8 - Filling of Vacancies
AIP
Initial Drafting
Section 9 - Training
AIP
Initial Drafting
Section 10 - Moving
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 11 - Vacation
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 12 - Leaves of Absence
AIP
Working Draft, in revision
Section 13 - Sick Leave
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 14 - Physical Exams
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 15 - Worker's Comp
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 16 - Missing
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 17 - Grievances
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 18 - System Board
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
Section 19 - Safety
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 20 - Allocation, Assignment, and Scheduling
Pending*
Working Draft, in revision
Section 21 - General
Pending*
Initial Drafting
Section 22 - Instructors
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 23 - Retirement
AIP
Draft in progress
Section 24 - Insurance
Pending*
Draft in progress
Section 25 - Duration
AIP
Initial Drafting
LOA - GUAM
AIP
Draft complete awaiting final review
LOA Proposal
Pending*
Initial Drafting
JCBA Implementation LOA
TBD
Compensation and Scope are pending!
Doesn't sound like much of an AIP... I will believe it when I see it... This all seems like a political stunt for the election... bide your time so Obummer admin would not have to make a tough call to screw pilots at election time!
How can you announce an AIP when two of the most critical sections are "Pending"? Why?
08-26-2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
I know of some. Whether it's 12 or 1200, it's the principle of the matter. What if this agreement is rejected? I highly doubt it will since I think this group would vote for Ron Jeremy as homecoming queen. If it is rejected, it won't be just 12 in front of you losing out.
If that doesn't concern you, the b/c fund contribution aspect should. I'd say you are short anywhere from $50-75k on that alone.
If that doesn't concern you, the b/c fund contribution aspect should. I'd say you are short anywhere from $50-75k on that alone.
08-26-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Sorry but, no "retro hay" for you! Mister Jeff says it has to be a signing bonus due to B/C fund contributions and tax implications. Anyone who has retired between the amendable date and signing date will be left only to graze on the seeds they have sewn. No money for them.
Don't feel so bad though. Barnyard Master Lee will definitely be waiting at the corral gates with his open feed bag to take his cut. He has to feed the angry pasture horses at TWA and fend off the Airtran geldings.
The rest is left up to the two Jays, the field bosses. They and their mec wranglers will decide how to distribute the hay to the ponies. They have experience on their side.
Don't feel so bad though. Barnyard Master Lee will definitely be waiting at the corral gates with his open feed bag to take his cut. He has to feed the angry pasture horses at TWA and fend off the Airtran geldings.
The rest is left up to the two Jays, the field bosses. They and their mec wranglers will decide how to distribute the hay to the ponies. They have experience on their side.
08-26-2012, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Actually someone from the lec level had said company was adamant it not be labeled retro. No pillow biting yet.
Since it's an anonymous "guy on the LEC" it must be true then. For a second there I was doubting your source. Thanks for clearing that up.
08-26-2012, 02:25 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Okay,
Since it's an anonymous "guy on the LEC" it must be true then. For a second there I was doubting your source. Thanks for clearing that up.
Since it's an anonymous "guy on the LEC" it must be true then. For a second there I was doubting your source. Thanks for clearing that up.
Btw, did the other groups get retro or signing bonus?
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