System Bid Out
08-31-2012 | 05:22 PM
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Agree 100% here. Take the recent Skywest/XJT/ASA meeting where they discussed merging their pilot groups. Jeff earned his wings under Bethune and probably took note of an all Boeing fleet along with only having to deal with a single feed carrier for many of CALs best years.
We had a system CP mention parking all the Airbus by 2020. In addition there are various manufacturers (Bombardier, Mitsubishi, etc.) investing lots of capital into churning out 100 seat RJs (Skywest just happened too place a large order for 100).
I must tip my cap too our brothers at AMR on this labor day weekend, it's refreshing to see labor surprise management and disrupt their plans for a while.
Happy Labor Day
We had a system CP mention parking all the Airbus by 2020. In addition there are various manufacturers (Bombardier, Mitsubishi, etc.) investing lots of capital into churning out 100 seat RJs (Skywest just happened too place a large order for 100).
I must tip my cap too our brothers at AMR on this labor day weekend, it's refreshing to see labor surprise management and disrupt their plans for a while.
Happy Labor Day
08-31-2012 | 07:07 PM
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08-31-2012 | 07:11 PM
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The SLI will be done in arbitration. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
08-31-2012 | 08:02 PM
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First off, you are quoting someone else as that doesn't sound like anything I have said.
Sorry I that was not you, my apologies. And I was counting our combined 757/767 fleet we have 96 757's.
Yet you continue to bash CAL pilots because of the growth here but when growth is aimed at UAL, you bemoan us for taking away your precious 757.
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08-31-2012 | 08:14 PM
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No worries at all. We all get things wrong on these forums from time to time. Fact: I actually took a half hour looking up the current 757 fleet count for our combined airline etc. as the only info I had was 2 years old. Just how stupid am I? Has either carrier taken delivery of 757's lately? Duh! I cannot wait to get this damn SLI done so you and I and everyone else who is currently arguing and bashing each other can finally take a step back, and realize that we are working for the same airline and towards the same goals and we might even share a cockpit in some form or fashion one day. I look forward to that no matter what seat I am in.
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08-31-2012 | 08:20 PM
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IAH,
Sorry I that was not you, my apologies. And I was counting our combined 757/767 fleet we have 96 757's.
EWR73FO the question goes to you. How is a one for one replacement on lower paying airframe growth in your book? The 737 order for UAL is NOT a growth order it's a replacement order.
Sorry I that was not you, my apologies. And I was counting our combined 757/767 fleet we have 96 757's.
EWR73FO the question goes to you. How is a one for one replacement on lower paying airframe growth in your book? The 737 order for UAL is NOT a growth order it's a replacement order.
I will make one point here. The 737-800/900 at CAL pays more than the 757/767 at UAL today by about $10 bucks an hour. Not that I think this will carry forward into the new contract, it is today a fact. The numbers I have seen for the new contract leave the 757-200 at about the same pay rate as the 737-800/900 which ****es me off. That will be a no vote from me. Our 757-200's fly all night high yield trips across the Atlantic with pilots who are always fatigued while the 737 flies a lot of daytime trips that are fairly simple on the time clock. I will fight this to the end with those whom lend me an ear that have a say on either side of this debate...
08-31-2012 | 09:02 PM
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I have to disagree with you here IAHB756. Maybe, pre-merger but not now. If you look at open time trips on the 73 you will see a lot more red-eyes than pre-merger. After the merger the swap-a-roo of flying added more red-eyes to the LCAL side due to differences in LUAL's and LCAL's work rules in their respective CBAs.
09-01-2012 | 05:17 AM
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I have to disagree with you here IAHB756. Maybe, pre-merger but not now. If you look at open time trips on the 73 you will see a lot more red-eyes than pre-merger. After the merger the swap-a-roo of flying added more red-eyes to the LCAL side due to differences in LUAL's and LCAL's work rules in their respective CBAs.
09-01-2012 | 05:31 AM
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I have to disagree with you here IAHB756. Maybe, pre-merger but not now. If you look at open time trips on the 73 you will see a lot more red-eyes than pre-merger. After the merger the swap-a-roo of flying added more red-eyes to the LCAL side due to differences in LUAL's and LCAL's work rules in their respective CBAs.
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09-01-2012 | 08:31 AM
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And how. UAL contract requires 16 hours of no duty before a redeye while there is nothing in the CAL contract therefore rest before a redeye is FAR mins. As a result, CAL flies first day in the morning, redeyes later that same day, lands early on second day. To do the same trip UAL has to fly on day one, rest on day two, and redeye late on day two into a third day. They gained a one-third efficiency in pilots doing redeyes simply by shifting redeyes to CAL. Hopefully this will go away under the new contract.
I thought the 737 had some new agreement where schedules would not be built with double duty periods in a single calender day. The 756 domestic still has a few trips with early morning flights West for 9 hours at the hotel then redeye to East Coast(IAD/EWR) for normal rest then back at it.
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