Not Quite. The agreement keeps PBS from building a line with one trip ending early then another starting later in the day. Within a pairing, this practice is alive and well.

Also, this applies to line construction only, so reserves are being abused just as they always have.

 

Yes, let's demand that the 737 pay less than the 757! This will make us all so proud after the majority of 757s are scrapped in favor of the 737.

As for 737 pilots not being fatigued, are you serious? I routinely fly six time zone trips and trips that flips morning for night/red eye flying. What you should be demanding is a back-side of he clock override for ALL fleet types.

By the way, don't be surprised when the 737max starts flying to Europe. I'm not saying I like it, just that it's in play in the coming years.

It continues to amaze me how short sighted pilots can be.

 

You are right. This was a small victory for the Fatigue Review Committee. Unfortunately, it was a very narrow agreement with the company, based on the data they had accumulated from reported fatigue events.

 

I think you need to step back from the computer and stop being so sensitive. Nobody is attacking your 737 or asking to have the hourly rates lowered on it. What I was trying to say before the small airplane paranoia set in was that the 757-200 was separated from the 757-300 in terms of pay yet the 757-200 flies the Atlantic bringing in premium revenue for the company with pilots who start every trip on the back side of the clock. My guess is that the union thinks that a 6 buck CA and 4 buck FO override will be good enough to pacify the pilot group. I know the 737 is doing redye flying these days. Only the 737 got the new carve out in by the pairing construction committee. I wonder why the 757 was not included in that? My guess is that is was political as many 756 bidders actually bid for double duty periods to maximize days off and reduce commutes. It is the reserves that cannot plan for a double duty period and it is the reserves, regardless of the fleet who pay the fatigue price.

Please don't think I'm so short sided that I would want to lower the rates on a piece of equipment in our fleet. That being said, I hope the day never comes when they actually attempt to fly the 737's to Europe. 757's to the U.K are perfect. I thought one of the great things this merger brought was the almighty 767-300 which can replace our long haul European 757's freeing them up for some South America routes where our 737's are leaving cargo behind on. I doubt we will put ourselves in a fleet situation where the 737 will be tasked with transatlantic trips running the APU for several hours. Look at the West Coast to Hawaii market. The 737's are not doing as much of that flying as the 757-300 have been put on most of those runs along with the UAL 757-200's and 767's (both the -300 and -400). That is the best example of fleet optimization I have seen to date post merger announcement.

 

you guys parked the 73s cause your scope sucks and most of your domestic flying is done by regional airlines. Wishful thinking on your part that it was for a cal merger...and no, you don't get anything for that in a merger. Thanks for the laugh tho

 

Scope sucked since 2003...Guppys flew until 2008 around the same time Jeff's predecessor refused to continue merger discussions. I don't much care if you laugh...as long as the mediators keep taking it seriously.

 

Interesting. UAL has 17 ETOPS 757s flying right now. We also have 13 Premium Service (currently 110 seats in 3-class config) non ETOPS birds that are getting expensive makeovers, so I don't know which one's we'll keep.

Sled

 

If you really beleive that you are either too lazy to look into UAL's history, you have your head in the sand, or you are seriously mentally challenged.

 

Larry broke off talks with United cause he saw how unhealthy (financially)that airline was. Its not only my view but of fellow pilots at various majors that United was not going to be around for much longer. I am sick and tires of multiple united guys feeling entitled to what me!-me!-me! should get because of various reasons like "well, we parked those jets just to merge with you guys", "we saved you guys", "we are United". United would be dead without any merger its time to admit that.

 

United would be dead...that's what I heard in 2003. What was it..."United is HIV positive". Nice tidbit from Bethune. Well, we're still here. CAL is gone. Most of us are as unhappy as you about the merger, especially with CAL. 9 hrs between reserve assignments? coach seats for rest facilities? What a joke. We once shut down ORD-HNL for 2 years because the company would not provide an adequate rest facility. They were offering a first class seat. COACH SEATS? You guys are the Mesa of the majors. XJT has better work rules. Yeah, I feel entitled. Give it a rest.